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Post Icon Posted: June 16 2010,8:44 pm Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

The Sequel

Ok. Let me lay it out for ya :break

Old HP PC running XP Media Edition :drama

Finds my wireless network (very good connection) but won't hook up to internet :(

Have a new Linksys WRT320N router hooked to Comcast Arris modem that runs all 3 other computer just fine :)

Set up the new router on WAP2 :good

Old Computer only shows WEP settings :stupid

Pretty sure everything was OK until the router change :comp

So wheres the basic place to start, since I feel like I've started there for the last couple days :banghead

Is it a WAP vs WEP or is Comcast not letting me in?


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I say use WEP and dump the encoding to get everything working...
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I say use WEP and dump the encoding to get everything working...

Think I tried that :stupid  So I should switch the WAP on the router to WEP :stupid That brings up the how :banghead and also everything seems to work fine other than the old PC :beat


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In recommend you drop back and punt. Too far out for a field goal attempt. :p

Oh; and learn English ya friggin' alien. WEP? WAP? Wait a minute! No, no; that would be WOP. Nevermind.... :stupid


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Whad he say. :eek  I think he is texting in his sleep laugh . :rolleyes


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...also everything seems to work fine other than the old PC :beat

Then direct connect the ol' guy....  :break

Have you run ALL the Windows XP updates...??  Service Pack 3, etc. ??
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As per Google, WAP2 is primarily for the new Color Phones/Devices... :stupid

Here's some techno jumbo that will screw your head a bit... :laugh

Evolutionary and Backward-Compatible

WAP 2 is sometimes referred to as WAP "Next Generation," or WAP-NG, perhaps alluding to the Star Trek series that, while linked to the original, has a completely new cast of characters. However, the WAP Forum emphasizes that WAP 2 is an evolution of the existing WAP standards and is fully backward-compatible with the 1.x versions. This is extremely important because millions of handsets, PDA browsers, and WAP gateways in production run 1.1 and 1.2 versions. WAP 2 is defined by more than 50 standards documents covering protocols, telephony, an application environment, security, and more. It is important to note that we are unlikely to see solid support for WAP 2 in production units until well into 2002.

Internet Protocol Support
While retaining support for the WAP 1.x protocol stack, WAP 2 addresses one of the major criticisms of WAP by adding support for the standard Web protocol stack of HTTP/1.1, TCP, and TLS. In addition, these protocols may be used in two modes: for communication between a WAP client and a WAP proxy, or for direct "end-to-end" communication with a Web server. The latter approach corrects a security hole in WAP that occurs when information is decrypted and re-encrypted in the WAP proxy.

Wireless Profiled HTTP supports standard GET and POST methods and adds message body compression of responses to reduce the amount of data sent over the air. Wireless Profiled TCP takes advantage of recent W3C work in improving TCP's performance over "long, thin networks." Implementations of this are required to operate in two modes: split and end-to-end. In split mode, a client establishes a TCP connection with a WAP proxy that typically has features to improve over-the-air performance. In end-to-end TCP, there is no mediating proxy—the client connects directly to a Web server just as a regular Web browser does. Similar in concept to wireless profiled TCP is the WAP Transport Layer Security (TLS) profile. This can secure a direct connection from a WAP client to an HTTP server, or can support the use of a WAP proxy between the client and the Web server. In the second case, tunneling is used to guarantee security.

WAP 2 also adds explicit support for HTTP cookies stored either on a client device or at the WAP proxy. This addresses an often-heard developer complaint about how difficult it is to maintain state in a WAP application.

New Markup Language (XHTML Basic)
The most obvious difference between WAP and other thin-client wireless technologies is the use of Wireless Markup Language (WML) to create the user interface of an application. Although Palm, AvantGo, GoAmerica, and I-mode all use some subset of HTML, WML is based on the proprietary Openwave language HDML. In WAP 2, WML wholeheartedly embraces XHTML while keeping backward compatibility with WML 1.x. Because this is such an important change, we will look at this in more detail later.

Support for CSS
Cascading style sheets provide a simple way to style Web pages. Style sheet templates specify rules that define the presentation style (such as margins, fonts, size, and color) of individual XHTML content elements. This permits a consistent look and feel across a Web site or application. Browser differences can also be accommodated using individual style sheets.

In keeping with its move toward XHTML and Web standards, WAP now includes CSS support based on the W3C's mobile profile of CSS. The Mobile profile is currently at the working draft stage and defines a subset of the CSS specification tailored to mobile devices. Both inline and external style sheets are supported.

Other Enhancements
A number of the standards from WAP 1.x have been enhanced in this new version. The User Agent Profile (UAPROF) is used to specify device capabilities so that content can be tailored to match a device's capabilities. UAPROF has been extended to support direct HTTP transmission of profiles. Similarly, the push standards now support the use of HTTP in the Over The Air (OTA) protocol, as well as message compression (in addition to the original binary encoding of known message formats).

As mobile devices proliferate and handheld computers converge with cellular phones, global positioning systems, and MP3 players, it is becoming increasingly important for applications to take advantage of device-specific features. Support for extensions including GPS, smart card readers, and digital cameras is provided by WAP 2's External Functionality Interface. Think of this as a kind of browser plug-in, a general mechanism for integrating wireless Web applications with device-specific features. It is interesting to note that "external functions" may be built into a WAP device or may be located externally. In one hypothetical example, a WAP service from a digital camera manufacturer could use this interface (and a USB or IrDA link) to upload images from the camera to a Web server or to update a camera's firmware.

To the business user, synchronization is probably of more immediate concern than device integration. Although synching at the office desktop is handled by an IrDA link or serial cradle, it is not always convenient or possible to return to the office. For field workers and salespeople, wireless synchronization can be extremely useful. WAP 2 has adopted the SynchML language and supports transmission of SynchML messages to achieve this. This is another open standard that, like WAP, is driven by an industry consortium (see http://www.syncml.org/).

In response to the promises of high-bandwidth 3G networks, WAP 2 adds support for multimedia. The Multimedia Messaging Service defines a store-and-forward mechanism for communication of messages, including video, audio, and other nontext information. Integration with SMS and email messaging systems is part of these standards. This should not be confused with real-time messaging services such as those used for instant messaging.

Other new standards in WAP 2 cover persistent storage that allows a WAP service to store information such as configuration values on a WAP device using WMLScript library calls. Data is stored in objects within a directory structure. A new provisioning standard fills another hole in the original WAP specifications. Provisioning is all about configuring a WAP device at the network level. This process is similar to what you have to go through when you set up a home computer to connect to the Internet. Although some phones and services can be configured via SMS (particularly in Europe), setting up handsets is often a laborious manual chore. The WAP 2 provisioning standards specify over-the-air mechanisms that rely on an automated server-driven process to do this configuration. WAP 2 also specifies standard pictograms; these are symbols, typically built into a mobile device and rendered as inline graphics. A core set of symbols includes arrows, buttons, media, and system state. These can be displayed using the localsrc attribute of the element in WML 2. WAP 2 continues to specify only black-and-white wireless bit maps. Other image formats (such as GIF and JPEG) may be supported on certain devices or through translation to wireless bitmaps by a proxy server.


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Post Icon Posted: June 17 2010,7:00 am Post # 8 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Sounds like you need to make sure you are up to speed with the latest upgrade to XP.

And verify that the computer's network adapter is compatible with the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) service.

One other thing...didja try making both codes the same?  :stupid

I did that to get my daughter's laptop connected. Worked for me. But maybe I'm just lucky.  :D


Edited by GlassMan on June 17 2010,7:03 am


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I just left my network open....... :peace




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Sounds like you need to make sure you are up to speed with the latest upgrade to XP.

And verify that the computer's network adapter is compatible with the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) service.

One other thing...didja try making both codes the same?  :stupid

I did that to get my daughter's laptop connected. Worked for me. But maybe I'm just lucky.  :D

My new laptop with Win7 picked up on my router all on it's own, all I had to do was hit connect, done deal!.. :good
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Quote (GlassMan @ June 17 2010,8:00 am)
Sounds like you need to make sure you are up to speed with the latest upgrade to XP.

And verify that the computer's network adapter is compatible with the Wireless Zero Configuration (WZC) service.

One other thing...didja try making both codes the same?  :stupid

I did that to get my daughter's laptop connected. Worked for me. But maybe I'm just lucky.  :D

Tried the same password with no luck hit me with some message like "it must be 5 or 10 letters in length" pass word is 8 :banghead


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Quote (Fragile Magic @ June 17 2010,12:10 pm)
I just left my network open....... :peace

Thinking of going back to that, if I could figure out how to get to the router :break


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I'll get more into over the weekend :rolleyes  been work busy with meetings and shows all week.


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I just left my network open....... :peace

Thinking of going back to that, if I could figure out how to get to the router :break

If you have it set to a default IP you should be able to find it on line somehwere. I forgot mine and did a total rest to factory settings and found the IP on line. Then i Shortcuted the location. Good as gold now.  :D   :good
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All mine picks up the IP automatically!.. :stupid
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Quote (Fragile Magic @ June 17 2010,12:10 pm)
I just left my network open....... :peace

Thinking of going back to that, if I could figure out how to get to the router :break

Linksys router setup software comes with the unit, or you can download it from their website.  I've had to reset mine a few times...
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I just left my network open....... :peace

Thinking of going back to that, if I could figure out how to get to the router :break

Linksys router setup software comes with the unit, or you can download it from their website.  I've had to reset mine a few times...

Well I have the software :comp Guess I'll give it a try. I'd like to at least have WEP if possible :cool


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:good
Brought this biatch back from the brink. Not sure how it happened but it seems to have done a system format :stupid had to run like 170+ updates and clean and defrag the drive 3 times. But she's back running quick and smooth :beer

But i'm running unsecured, going to see if I can get at least WEP to work. I tried once and it did not go well  :banghead  :break


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I tried setting up WEP on my network and every time I tried. I would go to one of my other systems to access the network and all I would get was  :finger   That's when I reset my router back to default and left it alone.
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I reset my router back to default and left it alone.

And it all works fine!.. :D

Yes it does  :D
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I reset my router back to default and left it alone.

And it all works fine!.. :D

Yes it does  :D

Like they say, "if it works, don't fix it"!.. :good  :D
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