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THIS ARTICLE WAS ON-LINE TODAY IN THE HAVASU HERALD:

Monday, May 24, 2004 9:18 PM MDT

Bridge to the future? Council to discuss options for another road to Island

BY Brian Wedemeyer

A pair of kayakers paddle their way north through Bridgewater Channel in one of two areas where construction of a second bridge to the Island is being considered.    A second bridge to the Island would cost as much as $5.5 million depending on what architectural style Lake Havasu City officials prefer, a recent study suggests.

TransSystems Corporation, hired last year to examine the prospects of building a second bridge, will present its findings to the City Council during a work session at noon today at the Police Facility, 2360 McCulloch Blvd.

"The report goes a long way toward identifying the costs of a second bridge and becoming comfortable with those estimates," said Mark Clark, the city's transportation manager.

The two-lane London Bridge is currently the only vehicle crossing to the Island, which has been targeted for major development in the future. Last year, an investment group bought 104 acres of Island property from the city's original developer, MCO Properties, for $8.8 million.

A portion of that land was sold a few months ago to a developer who announced plans to build 108 single-family homes. A resort, commercial development and some open space have been proposed for the remainder of the property.

The same investment group also has applied with the Arizona State Land Department to lease 117 acres on the Island's west side for a proposed marina resort, including a 100-room hotel, two restaurants, 200 boat docks, a yacht club and a recreation area.

The council in the past has discussed requiring future developers of the Island to share in the cost of a second bridge. The consultant has recommended one of three bridge types ranging from $4.5 million to $5.5 million.

That amount does not include the cost of securing right-of-way on the Island. The city obtained right-of-way on the mainland side of the Bridgewater Channel several years ago.

The city's capital improvement program includes nearly $1.2 million to buy right-of-way from the state land department, although Clark said that amount could be as much as $2.5 million. The property must be sold at public auction.

After evaluating two proposed roadway alignments, the consultant recommended the second option, which reduces the bridge length by 100 feet and avoids some existing utilities. Both alignments would extend from London Bridge Road south of the Holiday Inn across the Channel to the intersection of McCulloch and Beachcomber boulevards.

The three bridge types recommended by the consultant include a box girder, arch and flat arch box girder bridge. Use of cable stayed, suspension or steel truss bridge was excluded from consideration due to high cost and incompatibility with the London Bridge.

The proposed bridge would be 92 feet wide with five 12-foot lanes, five-foot bicycle lanes and a 10-foot raised sidewalk on each side.

The consultant determined that the arch bridge, estimated at $5.5 million, is most compatible with the London Bridge, with the other two types offering more modern designs.

At the request of the council, the consultant also examined the feasibility of a tunnel beneath the bridge. The estimated construction cost is about $10 million.

A budget session is scheduled to immediately follow the work session.
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It's called progress!.. :D
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It's called progress!.. :D

man ever since I moved out here Havasu has been changing big time!


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I think the island should be left alone before it turns into another San Diego Mission Bay where you gotta play bumper boats to launch.  :rolleyes


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I think the island should be left alone before it turns into another San Diego Mission Bay where you gotta play bumper boats to launch.  :rolleyes

yes I agree, don't understand why more tax money just has to be blown. it's just fine right now the way it is!


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The bumper boats will come after the seal off the channel to boat traffic, add a few arched walkways across it, and develop designated swim areas.  Free Gondola rides on Thursdays!!
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So when are they going 2 put the mall up? I miss shopping at the mall. Not as enjoyable for me online with RRM CC..hehehehe :rotflmao


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the mall goes in the center, on top of the old landing strip..!!
THE STRIP MALL.... :)
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It's called progress!.. :D

man ever since I moved out here Havasu has been changing big time!

When I moved to Mesquite from San Diego in '94, the population was about 1,600 full time residents.  :sleep  Now we're at 24,000!  :eek

Our shopping still sucks thanks to our idiot city council.  :angry  But we have 12 luxery golf courses that none of us locals can afford to play at.  :stupid  We have one course that costs $175 for 18 holes and that's without Vaseline.  :cry


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Quote (GoFastRacer @ May 24 2004,9:14 pm)
It's called progress!.. :D

man ever since I moved out here Havasu has been changing big time!

I can remember when there was hardly anything there and that wasen't too long ago!.. :eek
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Quote (Bullitt Bob @ May 24 2004,9:26 pm)
I think the island should be left alone before it turns into another San Diego Mission Bay where you gotta play bumper boats to launch.  :rolleyes

RRM,
There was an article some time ago about a proposed bridge ACROSS THE TOP OF THE LAKE from the Refuge to California side.  Help bring customers to the Casino.

Any more on this..???

I did see that a developer is putting up 300+ MFG homes over there, north of Havasu Landing.

No more sleepy desert town...!!!
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So when are they going 2 put the mall up? I miss shopping at the mall. Not as enjoyable for me online with RRM CC..hehehehe :rotflmao

hey now! :eek


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Quote (Bullitt Bob @ May 24 2004,9:26 pm)
I think the island should be left alone before it turns into another San Diego Mission Bay where you gotta play bumper boats to launch.  :rolleyes

RRM,
There was an article some time ago about a proposed bridge ACROSS THE TOP OF THE LAKE from the Refuge to California side.  Help bring customers to the Casino.

Any more on this..???

I did see that a developer is putting up 300+ MFG homes over there, north of Havasu Landing.

No more sleepy desert town...!!!

don't know anything about it.


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FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE ON THE 2ND BRIDGE.

The Lake Havasu City Council has agreed on a location and architectural style for a second bridge to the Island.

But there remain some major unanswered questions as to where the money for a second bridge will come from.

TransSystems Corporation, hired last year to conduct a bridge study, presented its findings during a council work session Tuesday.

Although bridge construction is estimated at $5.5 million, city staff said that amount does not include roughly $8.5 million for right-of-way acquisition on the Island, roadway work, engineering and permitting costs.


The second bridge is among some major projects in the city's capital improvement program without an identified funding source. City staff is expected to advise the council on some revenue generating options later this year.

"The city does not have any funding at this point to pay $14 million for a second bridge to the Island," said Lloyd Harrell, interim city manager.

The bridge study was being presented at this time primarily because the council will be considering a development agreement in a month or so for a planned residential project on the Island. City officials in the past have discussed requiring future developers of the Island to share in the cost of a second bridge.

Without a firm cost estimate for the second bridge, it would be difficult for staff to develop a cost-sharing formula for the upcoming development agreement.

Last year, an investment group bought 104 acres of Island property from the city's original developer, MCO Properties, for $8.8 million. A portion of the property was sold to a residential developer who later announced plans to build 108 single-family homes.

Mark Clark, the city's transportation manager, said the project could generate as much as 1,500 vehicle trips per year across a second bridge. At full development, the Island would produce roughly 37,000 trips.

Much of the Island where development now exists is leased from the Arizona State Land Department. The city could form an improvement district on the Island to help pay for a second bridge, but there are some legal questions as to whether or not existing lease holders can be required to participate.

After the consultant's presentation, the council agreed on an arch bridge described as most compatible with the London Bridge. The alignment would extend from London Bridge Road south of the Holiday Inn across the Channel to the intersection of McCulloch and Beachcomber boulevards.

The two-lane London Bridge is currently the only vehicle crossing from the mainland to the Island. The proposed second bridge would have five lanes.
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FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE ON THE 2ND BRIDGE.

The Lake Havasu City Council has agreed on a location and architectural style for a second bridge to the Island.

But there remain some major unanswered questions as to where the money for a second bridge will come from.

TransSystems Corporation, hired last year to conduct a bridge study, presented its findings during a council work session Tuesday.

Although bridge construction is estimated at $5.5 million, city staff said that amount does not include roughly $8.5 million for right-of-way acquisition on the Island, roadway work, engineering and permitting costs.


The second bridge is among some major projects in the city's capital improvement program without an identified funding source. City staff is expected to advise the council on some revenue generating options later this year.

"The city does not have any funding at this point to pay $14 million for a second bridge to the Island," said Lloyd Harrell, interim city manager.

The bridge study was being presented at this time primarily because the council will be considering a development agreement in a month or so for a planned residential project on the Island. City officials in the past have discussed requiring future developers of the Island to share in the cost of a second bridge.

Without a firm cost estimate for the second bridge, it would be difficult for staff to develop a cost-sharing formula for the upcoming development agreement.

Last year, an investment group bought 104 acres of Island property from the city's original developer, MCO Properties, for $8.8 million. A portion of the property was sold to a residential developer who later announced plans to build 108 single-family homes.

Mark Clark, the city's transportation manager, said the project could generate as much as 1,500 vehicle trips per year across a second bridge. At full development, the Island would produce roughly 37,000 trips.

Much of the Island where development now exists is leased from the Arizona State Land Department. The city could form an improvement district on the Island to help pay for a second bridge, but there are some legal questions as to whether or not existing lease holders can be required to participate.

After the consultant's presentation, the council agreed on an arch bridge described as most compatible with the London Bridge. The alignment would extend from London Bridge Road south of the Holiday Inn across the Channel to the intersection of McCulloch and Beachcomber boulevards.

The two-lane London Bridge is currently the only vehicle crossing from the mainland to the Island. The proposed second bridge would have five lanes.

thanks for the info Shueman  :good


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The growth has been amazing.  I would love to see aerial pics of the area BEFORE Parker Dam was built.

Did find this pic of the Nautical back in 1966...


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When I was little, my dad used to bring us to the lake when nothing was there but a campground on the California side.

It sure was peaceful.  :)


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When I was little, my dad used to bring us to the lake when nothing was there but a campground on the California side.

It sure was peaceful.  :)

That was a looooong time ago!.. :laugh
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It's called progress!.. :D

man ever since I moved out here Havasu has been changing big time!

When I moved to Mesquite from San Diego in '94, the population was about 1,600 full time residents.  :sleep  Now we're at 24,000!  :eek

Our shopping still sucks thanks to our idiot city council.  :angry  But we have 12 luxery golf courses that none of us locals can afford to play at.  :stupid  We have one course that costs $175 for 18 holes and that's without Vaseline.  :cry

Damn I ain't been thru there sinse 93, guess I wouldn't recognize it!. :eek Hey what happened to the Peppermill?? I heard it has a different name, is it still the same?? :stupid I used to stay there every week when I was hauling wide loads to Salt Lake, it was a good place, there was a Shell truck stop right there and we parked the load across the street and they would have a shuttle going thru the lot and pick us up, is that still there??, damn I need to get behind the wheel and row the handle again!.. :(
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Damn I ain't been thru there sinse 93, guess I wouldn't recognize it!. :eek Hey what happened to the Peppermill?? I heard it has a different name, is it still the same?? :stupid I used to stay there every week when I was hauling wide loads to Salt Lake, it was a good place, there was a Shell truck stop right there and we parked the load across the street and they would have a shuttle going thru the lot and pick us up, is that still there??, damn I need to get behind the wheel and row the handle again!.. :(

Damn dude, you would be amazed at the changes! The Peppermill is now called The Oasis. Truckstop is gone and so is the shuttle, there's a multi-level parking garage next to where the trucks park across the street, plus an entire new hotel wing. There's a bigger casino called the Casa Blanca between the truck parking and freeway. At the other end of town there's the Virgin River Casino and Truck Stop, across from that is the Eureka Casino and Hotel.

Behind the Virgin River Casino is full of multi-million dollar homes and about 6 new golf courses. There's about 7,000 new homes built since you were here last.

They're trying to make this place another Palm Springs.  :rolleyes

Check this out --> http://www.visitmesquite.com/


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When I was little, my dad used to bring us to the lake when nothing was there but a campground on the California side.

It sure was peaceful.  :)

That was a looooong time ago!.. :laugh

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When I was little, my dad used to bring us to the lake when nothing was there but a campground on the California side.

It sure was peaceful.  :)

That was a looooong time ago!.. :laugh

No sh*t, Dick Tracy!  :rotflmao

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[quote=GoFastRacer,May 28 2004,9:20 pm]Damn dude, you would be amazed at the changes! The Peppermill is now called The Oasis. Truckstop is gone and so is the shuttle, there's a multi-level parking garage next to where the trucks park across the street, plus an entire new hotel wing. There's a bigger casino called the Casa Blanca between the truck parking and freeway. At the other end of town there's the Virgin River Casino and Truck Stop, across from that is the Eureka Casino and Hotel.

Behind the Virgin River Casino is full of multi-million dollar homes and about 6 new golf courses. There's about 7,000 new homes built since you were here last.

They're trying to make this place another Palm Springs.  :rolleyes

Check this out --> http://www.visitmesquite.com/

Holy shit I guess it's changed :eek , the only other casino at the time was the Virgin River across the 15 and it was no truck stop either!...I bet the fkn Port of Entry on top of the hill ain't changed though!.. :laugh  :laugh
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They built new buildings and inspection sheds (maybe you saw that already) on both sides. Utah mans the northbound side and Arizona controls the southbound side.

St. George, Ut. has about tripled in size since 1993 with a bunch of transplanted Californians!  :eek

The Mormans don't rule the roost any more.  :rotflmao


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Yeah they got done with the port before I got laid off so I seen that!..Can't imagine StGeorge growing that much :eek Mormans beware!.. :laugh  :laugh
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