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Well, it's about time that the Federal Assault weapons ban ended.  It didn't have any effect on crime whatsoever.  All it did was keep the weapons out of Law-Abiding citizens hands.
Too bad there are still some State Assualt Weapons Bans in a few States :angry   Gun control is useless because criminals are not affected by Gun Control whatsoever.  The only ones that are affected are law abiding citizens. :angry




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Just glad to see the stupid Federal law go away :good   This should make the weapons and related accesories (Ie; Bigger Magazines/clips) a bit cheaper now :good   All the ban did succeed in doing was raising the prices (about tripleing the regular prices) and they didn't Really go away.




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Look to see the assault style weapons flood the market right around election time, for a much lower price :good




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And I might add, President Bush DID say that he would have signed it if the Congress decided to extend it.  However, the Congress didn't renew it because they came to their senses and realized that the Ban was worthless.  There were some democrats as well as republicans voting to let the ban expire. :good




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And I might add, President Bush DID say that he would have signed it if the Congress decided to extend it.  However, the Congress didn't renew it because they came to their senses and realized that the Ban was worthless.  There were some democrats as well as republicans voting to let the ban expire. :good

It isn't going to go away that easy.  Expect to see a more wide-sweeping ban proposed after the election (gun owners vote).  

Whether it passes or not remains to be seen, but this is too much of a hot patato(e?) to just pass into history.


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And I might add, President Bush DID say that he would have signed it if the Congress decided to extend it.  However, the Congress didn't renew it because they came to their senses and realized that the Ban was worthless.  There were some democrats as well as republicans voting to let the ban expire. :good

It isn't going to go away that easy.  Expect to see a more wide-sweeping ban proposed after the election (gun owners vote).  

Whether it passes or not remains to be seen, but this is too much of a hot patato(e?) to just pass into history.

Well, the Democrat party took a huge hit after passing that legislation.  Basically, they lost most/all of the more Rural states where most folks own guns.  The Assault Weapons ban has been directly linked to the Democrats losing the majority in the House and Senate.  I don't think that it will pass if proposed again.  Maybe alot of Democrats would vote for it again, but certainly not all of them....especially if facing an upcoming election for their seat in office.  And you can bet that the Republicans won't vote for it.
There has been absolutely no reduction in crime due to the Federal assault weapons ban or the Brady Bill.  They are just "feel good" legislation by Democrats, and do absolutely nothing to hinder criminals from obtaining a gun, but greatly hinders the ability of law abiding citizens from obtaining them :rolleyes   Keep in mind, that the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expiring will have absolutely no effect in California and a few other states that have passed their own State Laws banning the assault weapons (and many other types of firearms).  Has there been a reduction in firearms related crime in CA???  Heck no.  In fact, there has been an INCREASE because now law abiding citizens are less willing to go through the  process of buying a firearm for self defense, and the criminals don't really care about the law and are getting their guns on the streets anyways :angry   If Guns are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns. :angry  :angry


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And I might add, President Bush DID say that he would have signed it if the Congress decided to extend it.  However, the Congress didn't renew it because they came to their senses and realized that the Ban was worthless.  There were some democrats as well as republicans voting to let the ban expire. :good

It isn't going to go away that easy.  Expect to see a more wide-sweeping ban proposed after the election (gun owners vote).  

Whether it passes or not remains to be seen, but this is too much of a hot patato(e?) to just pass into history.

Well, the Democrat party took a huge hit after passing that legislation.  Basically, they lost most/all of the more Rural states where most folks own guns.  The Assault Weapons ban has been directly linked to the Democrats losing the majority in the House and Senate.  I don't think that it will pass if proposed again.  Maybe alot of Democrats would vote for it again, but certainly not all of them....especially if facing an upcoming election for their seat in office.  And you can bet that the Republicans won't vote for it.
There has been absolutely no reduction in crime due to the Federal assault weapons ban or the Brady Bill.  They are just "feel good" legislation by Democrats, and do absolutely nothing to hinder criminals from obtaining a gun, but greatly hinders the ability of law abiding citizens from obtaining them :rolleyes   Keep in mind, that the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expiring will have absolutely no effect in California and a few other states that have passed their own State Laws banning the assault weapons (and many other types of firearms).  Has there been a reduction in firearma related crime in CA???  Heck no.  In fact, there has been an INCREASE because now law abiding citizens are less willing to go through the  process of buying a firearm for self defense, and the criminals don't really care about the law and are getting their guns on the streets anyways :angry   If Guns are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns. :angry  :angry

You're preaching to the choir here Jim, besides you're moving to red-kneck central.  I think a semi-auto rifle is issued to everyone in Idaho.   :stupid

My point is that before we all start slapping each other on the back about the assualt weapons "ban" slidding into history, we should get ready for the next fight, comming up sometime after the elections.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if mandatory registeration of all firearms and firearm owners isn't proposed (again), along with an outright ban on semi-auto anything (again, again).   And no rehtoric this time, I'm talking about this making it to the floor for a vote in at least one of the houses.

They've tried this before, but also expect this to come in the guise of a domestic terrorism legislation.  A "preventive" measure to keep what happened in Russia from happening here.  Because, ya know, if terrorists can't buy guns here... well, you get the idea.  

Or how about this one.  An outright ban on ammunition, and all the components to make your own.  That's right, the constitution only spells out the right to keep and bear arms, not ammunition.  Though that's only been talked about, expect to see this issue come up more and more in the future.

Fock, now I'm all rilled up, I think I'll send the NRA some money.   :guns  :guns


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BBT, what is the status in California for a Ruger Mini-14 with a folding stock and 40 round clips? :stupid






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BBT, what is the status in California for a Ruger Mini-14 with a folding stock and 40 round clips? :stupid

If it was pre-ban, and is currently registered as an assault weapon with an extended clip, it would be legal.  However, I believe California's Assault weapons laws are still in effect and almost identical to the Federal law that just expired.  So, Basically 10 round clips are legal, over 10 are illegal, as well as a folding stock.  There is an actual manufacturer list available here http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/  But you have to look in 2 places because there were the original banned weapons by manufacturer when the Robert-Roos assault weapons ban passed, as well as some that were added later on (The CA state Attorney General has the power to add new ones to the banned list at any time).  Now, the RUger Mini14 in particular is NOT mentined by name on any list that I know of.  However, the accesories you have make it illegal.  Here's the law on that part;

Senate Bill 23 Assult Weapon Characteristics

Effective January 1, 2000, Senate Bill 23, Statutes of 1999, establishes new criteria for defining assault weapons based on generic characteristics. This bill allows and requires persons who own/possess firearms that fall under the new "assault weapon" definition to register those firearms with the Department of Justice during the one-year period between January 1, 2000 and December 31, 2000. Effective January 1, 2000, this bill adds Penal Code Section 12276.1 to the Penal Code as follows.


12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
© A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
© A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.


(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

(b) "Assault weapon" does not include any antique firearm.

© The following definitions shall apply under this section:
(1) "Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
(2) "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(3) "Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.

(d) This section shall become operative January 1, 2000.

There is a registration form available on the website above, But I believe that you have to be able to show that it was purchased prior to the Ban.
So you see, The Federal Assault Weapons Ban won't affect Californians at all because California already has a State Ban in place :angry  :angry




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WOW! :eek  That was a good answer Jim. :good  Thanks for the info. :D  I'm glad I saved my wood stock. :good






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WOW! :eek  That was a good answer Jim. :good  Thanks for the info. :D  I'm glad I saved my wood stock. :good

Well, I try to answer things anyways ;)   I just happen to be one of those people that is VERY concerned about keeping my 2nd Ammendment rights, therefore, I try to keep up with the current gun laws, in all States as well as Federal Laws.  I don't know that a person could say that I have an "obsession" about guns and the rights of ownership, but I would say that I possibly have a deep "passion" for it :D
Of course, I have a few good reasons why I'm so passionate about my 2nd Ammendment rights (Read here on an essay I wrote about it  http://www.geocities.com/nashville/opry/1350/guncontrol.html  )  You know, the heck of it is, when I was 15 years old in High School here in Woodland, CA, one of my classes in HS was Gunsmithing.  I remember very clearly walking to school with a FULLY FUNCTIONAL JC Higgins (Sears brand at the time) Bolt action shotgun, and completely restoring it from the stock, to the receiver, even re-blued the receiver and barrel.  That was a project in that class which incidentally, I got an "A" in that class and on the project. :D  :good   But nowdays, just the THOUGHT of taking a gun to school will get ya 10 years "vacation" with Bubba as a cell mate :rolleyes   I know of absolutely NO High Schools in the ENTIRE USA that have a Gunsmithing class anymore.  And that is very unfortunate because the more that folks are exposed to guns(Especially at an early age), the more they respect them and the power of them, hence making the safety factor much greater.  We didn't have 1/10th of the shootings back then as what we do now.  Guns haven't changed through the years, what has changed is the people and their attitudes that were for the most part, groomed by Liberal Laws and Guidance. :angry  :angry

Yep, always a good idea to keep them wooden stocks too.  :good


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I decided yesterday that I'm gonna apply for an FFL :good   Hopefully in about 8 weeks (Yep, it takes that long at the minimum) I'll be a licensed Firearms dealer.  That is, of course, unless they find something in my background history that prevents me from getting an FFL :rolleyes  :D  But since I have no warrants for my arrest, no Felony convictions (I can still vote :good  :D ) I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be approved.

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I decided yesterday that I'm gonna apply for an FFL :good   Hopefully in about 8 weeks (Yep, it takes that long at the minimum) I'll be a licensed Firearms dealer.  That is, of course, unless they find something in my background history that prevents me from getting an FFL :rolleyes  :D  But since I have no warrants for my arrest, no Felony convictions (I can still vote :good  :D ) I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be approved.

You are going to catch a lot of heat for not having a store front, and it might keep you from getting your FFL.  I was going to get mine through the gunshop I always bought my firearms through, just so I could learn more about the process than anything else.  The gentleman that owned the shop ran it out of his house.  The ATF required that he build/modify a septerate building complete with sighnage as his store front, and he had to be actively selling firearms to have his FFL renewed.  They weren't about to believe that he had employees, so I couldn't get my FFL.  Also, if you have an FFL the ATF has the right to come inspect all of your firearms and supplies.  So you have to keep your personal "stuff" seperated, and don't get caught with anything your not supposed to have... that's bad mojo.

The ATF is cracking down on individuals attaining FFL's as a way to get around existing gun laws.  Look into it and talk to someone before you invest to much time and money in it Jim.


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I decided yesterday that I'm gonna apply for an FFL :good   Hopefully in about 8 weeks (Yep, it takes that long at the minimum) I'll be a licensed Firearms dealer.  That is, of course, unless they find something in my background history that prevents me from getting an FFL :rolleyes  :D  But since I have no warrants for my arrest, no Felony convictions (I can still vote :good  :D ) I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be approved.

You are going to catch a lot of heat for not having a store front, and it might keep you from getting your FFL.  I was going to get mine through the gunshop I always bought my firearms through, just so I could learn more about the process than anything else.  The gentleman that owned the shop ran it out of his house.  The ATF required that he build/modify a septerate building complete with sighnage as his store front, and he had to be actively selling firearms to have his FFL renewed.  They weren't about to believe that he had employees, so I couldn't get my FFL.  Also, if you have an FFL the ATF has the right to come inspect all of your firearms and supplies.  So you have to keep your personal "stuff" seperated, and don't get caught with anything your not supposed to have... that's bad mojo.

The ATF is cracking down on individuals attaining FFL's as a way to get around existing gun laws.  Look into it and talk to someone before you invest to much time and money in it Jim.

I have a separate 300 sf building in my Backyard and was planning on starting a gunsmithing shop.  I am also planning on signing up on multiple internet sites as a Firearms Transfer Dealer, for firearms sold on the internet via auctions, classifieds, sales, etc. so the folks in my area have a transfer dealer to ship a firearm to.  There is no such dealer around here and the closest one is in Sacramento about 25 miles away.  A typical fee for this service ranges from $40-$60 and basically consists of one Firearms seller (Private party or another FFL) selling a firearm to another private party, but it must be shipped to an FFL and held for the specific waiting period as required by law for the associated firearm, while I'd be doing the paperwork/background investigations, while going through the waiting period.  After the waiting period and successful background check, I would release the firearm to the new owner....after all fees are paid of course :D   There is a pretty popular firearms site like Ebay (Maybe even part of Ebay???) called gunbroker.com that deals with firearms and acessories and related items.  ALL sales there MUST be shipped to an FFL.  I have checked their transfer dealers list and there are none in my area, so naturally, I'd sign up there as a transfer dealer once I get my FFL. :good   There's good money in that, and no cash outlay.  Basically just performing a service as required by law, and getting paid for it.  I think that this is something that I could do as it relates to my current physical limitations with my back injury.


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Yeah, I know a little about Gunbroker.com. :D

I wish you luck Jim, hopefully it works out for you.   :good


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Yeah, it's a pretty cool site.  I go there frequently :D  :good   Can't wait until tomorrow morning though.  Headed to Napa for a gun shpw.  Looks like it will be just Mrs BBT, Myself, and one of my nephews :good   No kids for this one :D  :jumpie




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