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Posted: Sep. 20 2004,4:32 am

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Well, I start school today (Again). Don't really know yet if I'm happy about it or not. Guess I'll have to see how the week goes. Im thinking that after an hour drive there, 4 hours sitting in the classroom, and an hour drive home, I'm thinking that I may have a few little problems doing that 5 days a week

I ALWAYS want to learn more, but I'm just really apprehensive about it and I don't have faith in my current physical capabilities

Hopefully it will go well and I'll be done in about 6 months. Just taking a few more IT courses that are Security related. Not sure yet if it will help me get a job when I finally get to work again, but at least I'll have about 5 more meaningless certifications to go along with the 35 or so that I already have :laugh

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Posted: Sep. 20 2004,5:57 am

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It's not going to be that bad.

I went to school 7 hours a day after working 8, for two years, with only weekends off (sometimes). I don't want to hear any sniveling. :bebe

Hopefully there will be some scenery in the class. :good

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Posted: Sep. 20 2004,6:14 am

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NAh, that isn't really my problem. Â I used to work 10-12 hours and then go straight to school for another 5 hours. Â That actually wasn't that bad after I got used to it.

My problem and concerns now, has to do with 3 herniated discs that I still have after getting injured otj 8/15/03. Â I have a really rough time sitting in 1 place for too long. Â As it is, I am gonna be going today on 2 VERY powerful medications, Norco (Which is the equivelent of taking 2 Vicodin at a time)that I take 6 times a day, and 50mcg Duragesic Patch (Which is a Morphine based narcotic called Fetanyl or something like that) and that is the most potent patch available as I was on the 25mcg patch for a while until the Doctor doubled it about 3 weeks ago. I change that patch every 3 days. Â
Problems are; Â If I do go to school all "sauced" up from the meds, I have a terrible time staying awake if I don't keep moving. Â I can be asleep in less than a minute. Â Another concern here is that it is TOTALLY illegal for me to be driving on these meds, as it represents a DUI.
If I DO NOT take the meds, I'm basically rolling on the ground in pain (literally) and not only do I think I couldn't make it in the classroom, I probably couldn't even make it out my front door

So, there is my dilemma. Â I am VERY excited about doing at least SOMETHING again, and am VERY anxious to get back to work and move on with my life and put this chapter behind me. Â School, although I do not think is necessary in my case (I'll probably know more about the material than the instructors do), at least it is something to get me going and keeping me busy again. Â But, I really just don't know what I can do and have about hit rock bottom when it comes down to faith in what I can and can't do physically.

Guess I'll know more by the end of the day today, and maybe even more by the end of the week. Â I'm just hoping that everything turns out ok. Â I'd feel pretty stupid having an ambulance carting me outta school for my first day (Just kidding, I wouldn't let it get that far and would leave long before that point) :eek

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Posted: Sep. 20 2004,6:47 am

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Well, that's it for me this morning. Headed out now to Sacramento and gonna give it a shot :good

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Posted: Sep. 20 2004,8:02 am

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Good luck!.. :good

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Posted: Sep. 20 2004,1:53 pm

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Good Luck sitting in that chair for 4 hours. I'm sure that'll be the toughest part. Good luck in your endeavors.

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Posted: Sep. 21 2004,2:06 pm

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Well, 2 days down and I'm having lotsa issues. The main one is not what I expected though. I am having troubles with the pain from my back injury, but my biggest problem is concentrating. I was told that this is an Instructor led class, which I need in order to learn. However, It turns out that it is 100% Computer Based Training....Not a good thing. I never could learn crap off the computer for some reason, but this is really the worst. I sit there popping pain pills with headphones on listening and watching an instructional video that takes up about 1/4 of a 15" monitor screen :confused

I do this for 4 hours straight except I stop every 1.5 hours or so and pop another pain pill.
Now, take my past experience with an inability to comprehend content from CBT courses, and add in the mix of a 50mg Duragesic Patch(Morphine based) along with the Vicodin stuff that I'm constantly popping, and not only am I constantly dizzy and drowsy, but I cannot concentrate whatsoever :stupid

Trying to stop this VR right now and put a hold on it before I lose it all, because it is obvious to me that I cannot learn anything off of a computer in this condition. Of course, I dd fall asleep twice today in class today so maybe I'm just getting rested up for the grand finale

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Posted: Sep. 21 2004,2:37 pm

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How long is the course, several months, several weeks?? Will the other courses be Instructor lead or will they all be computer taught??

I'm the same way, never have been able to learn off those computer based instruction dealios... I do best when I just sit down and start hammering stuff out, run into a problem, do research, figure it out... but you can't get a degree or diploma doing it that way. It sucks.

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Posted: Sep. 21 2004,8:11 pm

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How long is the course, several months, several weeks?? Â Will the other courses be Instructor lead or will they all be computer taught??

I'm the same way, never have been able to learn off those computer based instruction dealios... I do best when I just sit down and start hammering stuff out, run into a problem, do research, figure it out... but you can't get a degree or diploma doing it that way. Â It sucks.

Looks like it's all computer based training, with simulators of course on the computer, and lotsa questions and videos. It was designed to be approx. 6-8 months. Â I am taking a total of 14 courses (1 at a time of course). Â I made sure I told my VR Counselor that I have a hard time learning from CBT courses and was assured that it was instructor led. Â Turns out that there's about 50 computers in 1 classroom, everybody is doing a different thing and different class (I pulled up the medical terminology class today just for shitz and giggles

Â ) and the 1 instructor/Mentor just sits there and answers general questions if anyone has a question. Â Hell of it is, I ALREADY know more about the stuff I'm learning than the "Mentor" does. Â That's kinda F'ed up. :angry

I feel like I was totally misled, and now it may appear that I have a useless $16k Vocational Rehabilitation plan :angry

Â with no way to change it :angry

Â And they wonder why Workmens comp is so f'ed up in CA. Â Just wait, everyone injured OTJ after 1/1/04 doesn't even get the $16k for VR!!!

Well, anyway, my attorney returned my desperate call this afternoon. Â Looks like 1 of 2 things can happen here. Â They can suspend the Rehab plan for my physical inability to continue right now, and I would have 18 months to complete the plan. Â This is assuming that the plan was sent to, and signed by the Insurance Company Claims Adjuster.
However, since as of this past Friday, I know that the claims adjuster DID NOT sign the plan yet, since I signed it Friday afternoon as did my VR Counselor, and no Insurance company signature yet. Â This brings me to my 2nd Option. Â IF the Insurance company HAS NOT signed it yet (and my attorney is scrambling to find out and if not, hold it up), then the plan will be suspended for my physical inability to do the program, same as the 1st option, BUT, I will have 5 years to complete the plan. :good

Either way, I may have a chance at healing up a bit more, at least enough to get off of these pain killers that make me constantly dizzy and drowsy. Â I would definitely prefer the 2nd option though, since I do not feel that the injury is getting any better, and I anticipate a surgical procedure within the next few years, then after recovery, I should still have enough time to complete the plan.

Man this is all so confusing :confused

Â And the worst of it is, I can't concentrate on $hit, and am drowsy and Dizzy ALL THE TIME. Â Speaking of which....I'm outta here...headed for bed for the night :sleep

Edited by BigBoyToys on Sep. 21 2004,8:14 pm

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Posted: Sep. 22 2004,6:01 am

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Ok, gotta go. Â Gotta get ready for school. Â This MIGHT be my last day for a while. Â I know for sure I won't be going tomorrow for sure since I have a bunch of other appointments (Doctor, DMV, etc etc.). Hopefully my attorney gets this thing straightened out PDQ. :banghead

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Posted: Sep. 22 2004,6:04 am

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Have a good day at school!.. :good

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Posted: Sep. 23 2004,4:00 am

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Have a good day at school!.. :good

Well, yesterday's problem wasn't the dizzyness and drowsiness. Yesterday the pain got me :angry

So after leaving class a bit early, I get home to see that there is a message on my answering machine from my attorney, saying that effective yesterday, my Vocational Rehab plan is officially "Suspended" for my physical inability to complete. Good thing is, they got the 5 year exemption for me, whicch means that I now have until August 15, 2008 to complete my Vocational Rehab without losing it.
I was pretty disappointed. I was really excited at being able to go back to school, or at least doing SOMETHING. We even purchased an economy car for me to go to school (35mpg sure beats 10mpg). Oh well, maybe now they'll push to fix me instead of just tossing drugs at me :confused

which is what I've wanted all along. Words can't explain the way I feel every day with all the meds that I have to take. I feel like i'm in a constant Twilight Zone and the days are just passing by with no relevence. Feels like I'm just existing in life, not living life. Oh well, crap happens. Just gotta have faith that things will work out in the long run.

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Posted: Sep. 23 2004,5:54 am

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Quote (GoFastRacer @ Sep. 22 2004,6:04 am)

Have a good day at school!.. :good

Well, yesterday's problem wasn't the dizzyness and drowsiness. Â Yesterday the pain got me :angry

Â So after leaving class a bit early, I get home to see that there is a message on my answering machine from my attorney, saying that effective yesterday, my Vocational Rehab plan is officially "Suspended" for my physical inability to complete. Â Good thing is, they got the 5 year exemption for me, whicch means that I now have until August 15, 2008 to complete my Vocational Rehab without losing it.
I was pretty disappointed. Â I was really excited at being able to go back to school, or at least doing SOMETHING. Â We even purchased an economy car for me to go to school (35mpg sure beats 10mpg). Â Oh well, maybe now they'll push to fix me instead of just tossing drugs at me :confused

Â which is what I've wanted all along. Â Words can't explain the way I feel every day with all the meds that I have to take. Â I feel like i'm in a constant Twilight Zone and the days are just passing by with no relevence. Â Feels like I'm just existing in life, not living life. Â Oh well, crap happens. Â Just gotta have faith that things will work out in the long run.

I'm sure things will work out in the end, just got to hang in there!.. :good

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Posted: Sep. 23 2004,8:05 am

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If that's what you really want for Vo-rehab, maybe you could look into doing it at home?? I mean, if it's all CBT anyway, why not just do it corospondence.

Could be something to look into. When I did my apprenticeship, and since I lived in the sticks at the time, all my book work was corspondence, through ICS. I know people knock these schools as being cheap and a joke compared to going to a brick and morter school, but the course was excelent. I'd had alot of that material before when I went to school in Denver, and the ICS material did a better job of explaining and making sure you understood it than my class-room work. I've even taken a few refresher couses in electronics through them to brush up on some stuff for work.

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Posted: Sep. 23 2004,9:01 pm

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If that's what you really want for Vo-rehab, maybe you could look into doing it at home?? Â I mean, if it's all CBT anyway, why not just do it corospondence. Â

Could be something to look into. Â When I did my apprenticeship, and since I lived in the sticks at the time, all my book work was corspondence, through ICS. Â I know people knock these schools as being cheap and a joke compared to going to a brick and morter school, but the course was excelent. Â I'd had alot of that material before when I went to school in Denver, and the ICS material did a better job of explaining and making sure you understood it than my class-room work. Â I've even taken a few refresher couses in electronics through them to brush up on some stuff for work.

Actually, I didn't know it was gonna be a CBT. Â Even the school's website says "Instructor Led". Â I'm pretty pissed about that. Â Not to mention that they signed me up for (and the amount was deducted from my benefits) for something I already have (MCSE Certification) and the 7 related courses :angry

Well, I have until March of 2008 now to complete my Vocational Rehab. Â I did call the school today and spoke with the admissions director. Â I asked him if I should turn in my books and class material or what and he told me to just keep it and when I'm ready to start again, I'll have it. Â Of course, he's probably thinking that I'm some dumb ass that doesn't know that if I cancel the course(And turn in the books) within 30 days, I'm entitled to a FULL refund. Â I will more than likely do that if I'm not started back again by then, because I think that if it's gonna be a while, things change in the IT World and what's hot today, is not tomorrow. Â And the books will probably be outdated if I don't get started again soon.

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Posted: Sep. 23 2004,9:05 pm

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Also, I had a Doctor appointment this morning and explained my problem. Â So he just gave me more of the same meds (Damn Doctor's :banghead

Â ) Â But as I was walking out of the exam room, I asked him about something I heard of, about Burning the nerve to eliminate the pain. Â His reply was," Oh yes, that's a good idea, let's get you setup for that". Â Un f'ing Believeable!!! Â I guess if I wanna get better, I have to do my own research on treatments and tell the Doctor how to treat me :rolleyes

Well, once he gets me an appointment for that, maybe I'll be able to back of the meds a bit :good

Â , although from what I understand, it is still only a temporary solution since the nerves will grow back.

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Well I don't know if that's such a good idea since it's just temporary fix, what are the side efects?????? :eek

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Well I don't know if that's such a good idea since it's just Â temporary fix, what are the side efects?????? :eek

Ya know, I really had no idea until just now when I read about it. I actually got the idea from my mother, that had one of her customers tell her about it. I just suggested it to the Doctor because my mom begged me to and made me promise that I'd ask him about it. Well, I did.....and now I found out just what it involves, and I ain't so sure this is a good idea....

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Here it is........

What Is It?
Facet neurotomy / rhizotomy is a procedure which results in the interruption of the nerve supply to a facet joint. This interruption, known as denervation, is accomplished with the use of a radiofrequency probe that heats the two small nerve branches to each facet joint. These nerve branches are called medial branches.

How Is It Done?
With the patient in a prone position and under fluoroscopic guidance and local anesthesia, a radiofrequency needle is advanced to the base of the transverse processes. The needle is placed along the course of the medial branch. The needle is heated to 80Â°C for 90 seconds. At least two branches for each joint are treated in this same manner.

Expected Results?
Increased localized back and/or leg pain can be expected from several days to several weeks, and rarely several months, after the procedure. Destabilization of the facet joint is a risk and post-injection training to strengthen the extensor muscles can prevent this possibility.

Following the neurotomy / rhizotomy, there is a 60% chance of pain relief. This typically lasts for three months to 1Â½ years. The nerve eventually grows back and the procedure can be repeated. While the patient is experiencing pain relief, vigorous physical therapy is necessary to try and strengthen the involved facet joint(s).

How Long Does It Take?
The neurotomy / rhizotomy takes 10 to 45 minutes, depending on the number of levels to be done. The patient is then recovered in the observation area for 30 minutes to 1 hour.

GLOSSARY:
NEUROTOMY - Division, transection or dissection of a nerve.

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Some scary shit to me!. :eek

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That's what I'm thinking. If it wasn't after 9:00pm right now I'd be on the phone asking my mom wtf she got me in to now :laugh

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knowing what I know now about the human anatomy I don't think this is a good idea. I don't think it will work for Jim.

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I agree!..

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Posted: Sep. 25 2004,3:41 pm

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Back pain I know, my lower has been ripped so many times,it can't heal now with all the scare tissue! Yours is bad!

I thought once you got out of school, it was all done..YA HOO! Then you step into saftey controlled enviroment, that is the biggest laugh I have had to date! I haven't had an accident on my rig for 13 years...Good no, just smart enough to tell these people how to do it right. They still don't get it face to face, puters might work for them!

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I hope it all works out for you BBT, hang in there ! No pain , no glory! Sorry, had to say that!

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Posted: Sep. 25 2004,10:42 pm

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Back pain I know, my lower has been ripped so many times,it can't heal now with all the scare tissue! Yours is bad!

I hope it all works out for you BBT, hang in there ! No pain , no glory! Sorry, had to say that! Â

No pain no gain.. :rotflmao

Â I haven't seen a bit of gain yet, but seen lotsa pain. Â Sometimes bad, sometimes not so bad. Â The meds help out alot, but I'm worried about becoming addicted to them and I sure as hell hate sleeping as much as I tend to do :beat

Oh well, it will be over with one of these days.......one way or another

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