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Ok, "Not So Fast".... here's your thread, just like I promised.

The ADEQ site

The thread that started it all

So that's a start.  Post away.

One other rule though, we don't argue over here.  You take exception to what someone posts, take it back over to Hotboat.


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Thanks for bringing this over Sleek.  I had seen the HB threads, but did not take the time to follow the drama (as usual).

Sounds like things are being done....it's all about PPM at this point... :(

San Bernardino Sun Times - 2/24/05:

Toxic plume spurs action

PGE told to boost cleanup near river

By George Watson, Staff Writer

The state is requiring Pacific Gas Electric Co. to take new steps toward cleaning up a toxic plume in the Mojave Desert before a known pollutant seeps into the Colorado River.
The utility company's Topock natural gas compressor station is the source of the chromium-based chemical. The cleanup site, near the remote desert community of Needles, is about 60 feet from the river that provides drinking water to millions of Southern Californians.

A new well produced a sample indicating a high level of hexavalent chromium, or chromium 6, the carcinogenic chemical that gained notoriety in the film "Erin Brockovich." But state officials said the chemical-laced groundwater has not leaked into the river.

"I need to caution people, we are taking all of these actions based on one sample," said Ron Baker, a spokesman with the California Department of Toxic Substances Control. "Certainly, the conditions could change. The hydrology is very complex."

PGE provides gas and electric service to about 14 million people in Northern and Central California.

As part of the state-required contingency plan, PGE must increase pumping of one well, install a new monitoring well, conduct more frequent well sampling and determine whether groundwater flow is still heading away from the river.

The new 70-foot-deep well was part of the agency's continuing investigation into the facility near Interstate 40 and the Nevada border. The state ordered PGE to begin cleaning up the site on March 8, 2004.

The sample detected hexavalent chromium at 354 parts per billion, which would be comparable to 354 drops of the contaminant in an Olympic-sized pool . The finding exceeded the state's standards of 50 parts per billion for drinking water.

A mobile home park is relatively near the cleanup site, but is at a higher elevation and not believed to be in danger.

The groundwater there has always been ill-suited for drinking, a fact that continues today, said Jon Tremayne, a spokesman with the utility.

"If there's a silver lining, I guess, it's the water that is there is not being used by any domestic uses," Tremayne said.

The utility plans to install a higher-powered system early this summer to extract greater quantities of the groundwater, he said. Tremayne likened it to going from a single straw in a soda can to having several straws in the same can.

But Bradley Angel, executive director of Greenaction, an environmental group, said he remains concerned about the time it has taken to get the plume under control.

"That site really needs to be cleaned up timely and thoroughly," Angel said.

PGE bought the Topock facility in 1951 and used the chemical as a corrosive inhibitor in cooling towers at its compressor stations that delivered natural gas to Central and Northern California. It was used for more than a decade.

The state toxic substance control agency has said that over 17 years, PGE dumped 6 million to 10 million gallons of the chromium groundwater in percolation beds near Topock.


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Just keeping up my side of the bargin...

ADEQ to Study Groundwater in Arizona for Potential Contamination from PG&E Hexavalent Chromium Plume

PHOENIX (March 9, 2005) -- Arizona Department of Environmental Quality Director Steve Owens announced today that ADEQ will conduct a study to determine whether groundwater in Arizona has been contaminated by a plume of hexavalent chromium coming from the Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) Natural Gas Compressor Station near Needles, California.

Owens said that PG&E will pay for the study under an agreement signed by the company with ADEQ. The study, which is expected to cost more than $350,000, will examine the groundwater flow on the Arizona side of the Colorado River to determine whether the hexavalent chromium plume has migrated under the riverbed and contaminated water supplies in Arizona. The study also will involve sampling drinking water wells in the communities of Topock and Golden Shores, Arizona.

"We want to ensure that the Colorado River and Arizona's precious groundwater resources are protected," Owens said. "We intend to determine whether the PG&E plume has contaminated Arizona's groundwater."

Recent results from a new monitoring well in California show that the hexavalent chromium plume from the PG&E station has moved to within at least 60 feet of the Colorado River and may potentially extend beneath the river.

Last September, in a letter sent to the California Regional Water Quality Control Board (CRWQCB), Owens expressed his concern that the plume not only could contaminate the Colorado River, but could also contaminate groundwater in Arizona. "I am particularly troubled that the plume of hexavalent chromium may have already moved beneath the Colorado River and may now be contaminating Arizona's groundwater," Owens wrote. The recent results heighten this concern, Owens said.


Even with this latest development, the shallower wells on the California side show no contamination and there has been no finding of Chromium 6 in the river.  

More updates to follow.


Edited by Sleek-Jet on Mar. 29 2005,3:28 am


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Why would there be drama over this?. :stupid
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Have you ever heard of Erin Brockovich(s/p)??


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"Have you ever heard of Erin Brockovich(s/p)??"

You mean the legal aide that made millions taking on PG&E, causing an amazing increase in electricity rates in California (although not as much as Gray Davis) while singlehandedly destroying the property values of a small, low - moderate income desert town just outside Barstow.  She took her money and ran, while the plaintiffs, her clients, got pennies, and found that they couldn't sell thier homes, for a net loss to her victims.  That Erin brockovitch?
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MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama
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Quote (BigDog @ Aug. 21 2007,4:40 pm)
MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama

I bet he clicked on the link in Sleek's signature on HotBoat. :rolleyes

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Quote (Havasu Doug @ Aug. 21 2007,3:52 pm)
Quote (BigDog @ Aug. 21 2007,4:40 pm)
MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama

I bet he clicked on the link in Sleek's signature on HotBoat. :rolleyes

By the way, welcome to HDF hkunz! :good

I thought the same thing about his link. ;)
I was not a fan of the Erin B movie....... :(
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things and processes change as time goes on, we get smarter about stuff. Our goverment has done some really dumb stuff in the past and will continue to dumb stuff in the future and beyond. If we had crystal balls to see into the future then none of these issues would have happened(or less likely)....all we can do is try to correct the best it can be done given any one circumstance


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Quote (Havasu Doug @ Aug. 21 2007,4:52 pm)
Quote (BigDog @ Aug. 21 2007,4:40 pm)
MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama

I bet he clicked on the link in Sleek's signature on HotBoat. :rolleyes

By the way, welcome to HDF hkunz! :good

Why the rolleyes???  :D

I forgot I even started this thread... though if you click on the AZDEQ link, not much has changed... still no chromium in the river...


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Quote (Sleek-Jet @ Aug. 21 2007,4:36 pm)
Quote (Havasu Doug @ Aug. 21 2007,4:52 pm)
Quote (BigDog @ Aug. 21 2007,4:40 pm)
MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama

I bet he clicked on the link in Sleek's signature on HotBoat. :rolleyes

By the way, welcome to HDF hkunz! :good

Why the rolleyes???  :D

I forgot I even started this thread... though if you click on the AZDEQ link, not much has changed... still no chromium in the river...

Does that mean that the efforts to clean up are working or that the cromium simply hasn't reached the watershed yet?


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Quote (Sleek-Jet @ Aug. 21 2007,4:36 pm)
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MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama

I bet he clicked on the link in Sleek's signature on HotBoat. :rolleyes

By the way, welcome to HDF hkunz! :good

Why the rolleyes???  :D

I forgot I even started this thread... though if you click on the AZDEQ link, not much has changed... still no chromium in the river...

Does that mean that the efforts to clean up are working or that the cromium simply hasn't reached the watershed yet?

Probably both... one of the reasons is the level of the ground water that is contaminated is beneath the river... so there is some sort of geology that is keeping the water seperated.

Also, the level of chromium found on the AZ side is very low and hasn't increased from what I can figure based on the info on the AZDEQ site.


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I checked the site out, too, to see what the latest was.  From there, I clicked onto this site:

http://www.dtsc-topock.com/

They have a bunch of pics of the clean up operations and facilities. :good






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MAN!!!!  Someone had a big shovel to dig this one out of the dust bunnies.  :drama

I bet he clicked on the link in Sleek's signature on HotBoat. :rolleyes

By the way, welcome to HDF hkunz! :good

Why the rolleyes???  :D

I forgot I even started this thread... though if you click on the AZDEQ link, not much has changed... still no chromium in the river...

Bad choice of a K3 on my part.  :D I should have used this one instead. :stupid






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Hello all.  I have lurked in the shadows on this site for some time and saw this thread.  Finally something that I might know a little about.  As I work for the firm that was hired by pg&e to work this problem I must be careful.  I live and work another project about 40 minutes away and know the Project manager and this project quite well.  Our project helped with the initial startup of this project.  They currently have the migration of the plume stopped and are pumping it out the ground, running it through many processes and recharging the aquifer with better quality water than any of us can buy.  There are more rules to this permit then any I have ever seen and I believe they will get it cleaned up. The oversite by so many agencies is such that pg&e must come up with a permanent plan to resolve this.  As I boat normally on mohave and sometimes havasu I to have vested interest in this problem.  :)


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Hello all.  I have lurked in the shadows on this site for some time and saw this thread.  Finally something that I might know a little about.  As I work for the firm that was hired by pg&e to work this problem I must be careful.  I live and work another project about 40 minutes away and know the Project manager and this project quite well.  Our project helped with the initial startup of this project.  They currently have the migration of the plume stopped and are pumping it out the ground, running it through many processes and recharging the aquifer with better quality water than any of us can buy.  There are more rules to this permit then any I have ever seen and I believe they will get it cleaned up. The oversite by so many agencies is such that pg&e must come up with a permanent plan to resolve this.  As I boat normally on mohave and sometimes havasu I to have vested interest in this problem.  :)

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Hello all.  I have lurked in the shadows on this site for some time and saw this thread.  Finally something that I might know a little about.  As I work for the firm that was hired by pg&e to work this problem I must be careful.  I live and work another project about 40 minutes away and know the Project manager and this project quite well.  Our project helped with the initial startup of this project.  They currently have the migration of the plume stopped and are pumping it out the ground, running it through many processes and recharging the aquifer with better quality water than any of us can buy.  There are more rules to this permit then any I have ever seen and I believe they will get it cleaned up. The oversite by so many agencies is such that pg&e must come up with a permanent plan to resolve this.  As I boat normally on mohave and sometimes havasu I to have vested interest in this problem.  :)

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