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I've had alot of inquiries about my closeness to the unfortunate incident that happened at Albertson's yesterday.  That store is between my home and my store.  I have worked with many people at that store, including the fatally wounded victims.  I actually worked for John Nutting when he was a Store Director.  He was a really great guy.  Just recently, he "stepped down" to a clerk as he is nearing retirement.  His new job duty was being a "receiver".  A receiver is usually off on Sundays, so John volunteered to work as a clerk on Sundays at any store that needed him.  That wasn't even his store that he was murdered in.  I keep asking myself "Why?", but I don't think I'll ever come up with an answer.  I have been with my company for 19 years and have made alot of friends during that time.  Most of us transfer from store to store occassionally, so eventually you end up knowing many people in all of the local stores.  It is sort of a family, just like it is on the boards.  This just hits WAY too close to home.  As the hours pass, more and more stories of the incident are coming out and just about all of them involve my friends.

My prayers go out to the families of the victims and those traumatized by this unfortunate incident. :(






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I was really shocked to read that in the paper today. I am sorry that this kind of thing happened.

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That's terrible. That's what Orange Coutny is all about! People killing each other! That doesn't happen here in LHC!!! :guns


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I was really shocked to read that in the paper today. I am sorry that this kind of thing happened.

You know we are always here if you need us.

Thanks Shelli. :)

It was very awkward at work yesterday right after this incident happened.  Many of us were making and receiving phone calls to sort the facts from rumors.  John Nutting was the Store Director who opened my store, so MANY of my checkers worked for him.  When his name first came up as a possible victim, I didn't want to repeat it in hopes that it was just a rumor.  As the day passed, more and more of the workers could tell that something was wrong though.  It was a battle all day long in deciding what to say and what not to say.  Most of the facts were confirmed by early afternoon yesterday, but seeing it on the news kind of makes it seem more certain.






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Read all about it here.......


By ZAHEERA WAHID, JOHN GITTELSOHN and HANG NGUYEN
The Orange County Register


Linda Peters left her husband for just a moment to pick up a carton of orange juice. Tom Peters headed down the aisle in the other direction.

It was the Irvine couple's weekly Sunday shopping trip to Albertsons.

Suddenly, Linda Peters heard a yell.

"I turned around. (Someone) was hitting Tom with what I thought was a stick," Linda Peters said.

She immediately recognized the assailant as the man who bagged her groceries every week.

And the "stick" he used was actually a samurai-style sword that slashed cuts into her husband's head and arms.

Around her, people were fleeing and screaming. Customers and employees ran out of the store, some with blood dripping down their faces.

Peters, shaken and teary-eyed, recalled the nightmare a few hours later from a bench outside Western Medical Center in Santa Ana.

Inside, Tom Peters, 54, was being treated for cuts to his hand, shoulder and head. Another customer and an Albertsons employee were also undergoing surgery for cuts.

Back at Albertsons, two employees lie dead on the floor.

And the sword-wielding bagger, Joe Parker, was dead after being shot by police.

Shocked family members, workers and grocery store customers gathered behind the yellow police tape in the parking lot of the shopping center all day seeking answers about what had happened in the neighborhood.

The drama started unfolding at about 9:30 a.m., when Parker, a bagger for about 2 1/2 years, entered the store after being absent from work for two weeks.

He wore a black trench coat and his trademark green beret. On his way in, Parker, who was mentally disturbed, met a co-worker who had just finished the night shift.

The pair shook hands and exchanged a few words before parting. Parker, witnesses said, walked to the back of the store. About 50 employees and customers mingled in the many aisles.

Near the stock room, Parker met Judy Fleming and John Nutting.

He whipped out a 3-foot sword and for unknown reasons, started lashing out at his co-workers. He killed Fleming and Nutting, and then chased after customers, witnesses said.

Patti Pancoast, an office manager at the Albertsons, "hid in an office behind locked doors" during the rampage, said her daughter Paige Pancoast.

At 9:36, 911 dispatchers received a call reporting gunshots at the grocery store.

When officers arrived at 9:39 a.m., "they saw some people coming out of the store with injuries," Irvine police Lt. Jeff Love said.

At least four officers entered the store, and one of the officers confronted Parker and shot him. He died a couple of hours later at Western Medical Center.

Police cordoned off the area, and about 20 investigators from the Irvine Police Department and the Orange County District Attorney's Office converged on the scene to figure out what led to three violent deaths and three injuries.

About 40 people who were in the store during the slashings were piled into an Orange County Transit District bus and driven to the Irvine Police Department for questioning.

There, worried family members waited anxiously for their loved ones to be released.

Adrian Elizondo, 28, waited for his wife Francesca Soto, a produce department worker for three months.

Elizondo of Santa Ana was upset that the store had no security guards on the premises.

"I don't want her to go back," he said. "There's two people passed away. No security out front. They think they don't need this just because it's Irvine."

At the market, regular store customers were stunned to find out about the bloodshed at "their" Albertsons.

"This is a very nice neighborhood," said Patricia Guiso, a frequent shopper.

"We were extremely (shocked) when this happened," said her husband, Jack Guiso. "We're here almost three Sundays out of the month at 10 o'clock. Everyone's so friendly and so nice."

The Northwoods Shopping Center is a bustling strip mall filled with diners, a coffee shop, a nail spa and other businesses.

Cars drove in and out of the center Sunday, with some people waving to acquaintances while others clustered together and cried as they learned of the slayings.

"It's a terrible thing," said Dave Wessler, 58, of Irvine. "It just shows you this can happen anywhere."

Sharon Lyman cried as she waited to see her son, Ricky Cherry, 26, a cashier.

"He called me and I thought he was joking when he said a guy came in with a machete and started hitting people," Lyman said. "He knew the machete guy."

Cherry wasn't the only one who remembered the bag clerk. Many who passed through the shopping center had some memory.

"I talked to him a few times and smoked a couple of cigarettes with him," said Joey Serrao, a customer. "He just mumbled."

Parker was known to stroll down grocery aisles talking to himself and often mumbled while bagging goods. He had also become religious in the past few years and sometimes handed out religious material to co-workers.

"This was a sick person, and Albertsons was nice enough to give him work," Wessler said. "I hope that (type of practice) continues."

Workers said all the employees got along well and there have never been any problems at the store. Even Parker was known to crack jokes with co-workers.

But his schizophrenia made several people uncomfortable, they said.

"We all kind of had a weird feeling," said Karl Wieduwilt, 24, who works in the service deli and had worked with Parker as a bagger for two years.

"I would always joke around with my co-workers that he would come in and shoot people up one day," Wieduwilt said.

When Wieduwilt heard what had happened, "Parker was the first guy that came into (his) head," he said.

Wieduwilt said returning to work and serving customers will be the toughest part of all.

"It's going to be hard for us," Wieduwilt said. "We had two or three people die."


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That's terrible. That's what Orange Coutny is all about! People killing each other! That doesn't happen here in LHC!!! :guns

That was a really odd neighborhood for that to happen in too.  It happened at Culver and Irvine Blvd. in Irvine.  I think Irvine had 1 homicide last year and none the year before.  They went from 1 in 2 years to 2 in 1 day, 3 if you count the assailant who was stopped by lethal force.






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That’s terrible I just read about it on Netscape’s web page. I feel for the people involved it is very tragic.


I am glad that you are OK Doug!


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If you need to get away for a little while you are welcome to come up to Solvang and stay with us Doug.


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If you need to get away for a little while you are welcome to come up to Solvang and stay with us Doug.

Thanks Brad. :)

It was definitely a huge change to go from Havasu all week to this.  Coincidently the other victim, Judy Fleming was out in Havasu, too, towards the end of the week.  We came home around the same time.  Some of my friends were on the way out there to meet up with her same group that remained in Havasu, but turned around when they got word.






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Post Icon Posted: June 30 2003,2:18 pm Post # 10 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

:(  That's sad :(  Makes you stop and think about the "here today gone tomorrow".


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Incredible, why do we let nut cases like that do these things :stupid I'm sure there were signs he was losin it.

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I am very sorry to hear this news.  :confused  I am very sorry for the families, friends, and co-workers of the victims.

We are all glad that you are OK Doug. These type of things are very difficult to experience and deal with.

Please be assured that you are in our thoughts and prayers.


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I use to shop there when I lived in Irvine.  I'm pretty sure the guy there talking about helped me load a keg or two into my car.  :(

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Very sad story. My heart and prayers go out to all the familys and friend.


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I hate to be selfish in a time like this, but I'm glad it didn't happen in your store.  I'm glad you are okay.  :kiss

I feel very bad for those involved, :(  especially the family members of John since he was so close to retirement and he wasn't even at his normal store when it happened.  

Things like this definetly makes you appreciate those in your life that you love that much more.   :kiss    

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I don't stop by often Doug, but I'm sorry to read this and feel for the families involved.  I get the info. on most Ofcr. involved shootings.  The idiot was hit by 6 rounds of .223 and was dropped quickly, violently and painfully.  
While the article mentioned someone said there should have been a security guard, as you know, violent crime is prettty low in Irvine.  Mentally disturbed people  can "snap" anywhere at any time and it's very sad it happened there.  It goes back to management AND workers at Every company, including my line of work, to notice things people say and do and take ANY threats seriously and report them.  It may have not have helped here, but it does many other times.

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Hey Doug, I'm sorry to hear what happened. I'll pray for everyone the effected. Call me
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Doug, Havent been on the boards lately but I did think of you when this happened and I was so sorry to hear it.  My prayers go out to all involved.   Traci
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