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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,7:15 am |
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So we just sold my husbands F-150 yesterday  Â (poor thing is headed for a rough life in Mexico- yikes! . Â Besides the fact that the F-150 was getting too old, our main reason for getting rid of it was that it was useless for towing our toys. Â It was strong enough to pull the pontoon, as that doesn't actually weigh that much, but we never did because it just strained it too much. Â Pulling the 34' Tailgator 5th wheel was never, ever an option. Â
We want a 2500 HD and have found several trucks that we like, both new and used. Â The two used ones we are looking at have a 6" and an 8" lift. Â My question is this: Â If we get a truck with a significant lift does that affect our ability to tow our 5th wheel? Â It seems to me that by lifting the front of the trailer the back end subsequently drops down and risks bottoming out. Â Does anyone have any experience with this? Â Hubby seems to think that we would have to get the trailer lifted. Â I'm sure that I have seen some people with that, but surely not everyone who has a lifted truck and a trailer has had to get the trailer lifted.... Â
Any input would be helpful!!!
Edited by PoonToonBabe on Mar. 20 2008,7:21 am
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,8:44 am |
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| Quote (GlassMan @ Mar. 20 2008,8:26 am) | Typically you flip the axles on the Toyhauler.
On the way home from Ocotillo we saw a lifted F350 with a fiver that had the axles flipped. Towed pretty level, but it sure does look a bit hinky so high up there.
I prefer to keep it a bit lower myself....
Many guys lift the trucks and slap big tire/wheel combos on there and don't touch the drive train or brakes and find them selves in a world of trouble on steep grades.
You can flip the axles yourself in an afternoon. Â  |
Exactly, the axles need to be flipped on the springs. I personally think it looks funny and as stated it brings the center of gravity much higher. I wouldn't want to tow it in much of any side wind.
That much lift on a truck used 95% for road use is a waste. Might look cool(pimp factor  ) but it alters several dynamics, stability and most certainly fuel consumption. When I was a bit younger I wanted to lift my truck like that but my brain told me otherwise, I ended up replacing just the front springs in order to make the truck ride level.
I pull a 40' 5'er.
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,9:00 am |
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I know a lot of people don't like the look or idea of a lifted truck. Personally, I like it a lot, but I'm not sold on it entirely. Does anyone know if there are places that will do this axel flip on a trailer. cost? I know it was suggested that it could be done in an afternoon, but I don't want hubby doing it- YIKES! He's a numbers dude, not a mechanical one 
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,9:09 am |
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| Quote (PoonToonBabe @ Mar. 20 2008,9:00 am) | | I know a lot of people don't like the look or idea of a lifted truck. Â Personally, I like it a lot, but I'm not sold on it entirely. Â Does anyone know if there are places that will do this axel flip on a trailer. cost? Â I know it was suggested that it could be done in an afternoon, but I don't want hubby doing it- YIKES! Â He's a numbers dude, not a mechanical one |
Looks of a lifted truck are cool but the practicality of it is not.
Even just loading a full cooler in the bed is a PITA. Now think about lifting the 5'er hitch back there. 
Most any trailer store/shop will do the work for you, call around.
Edited by Ziggy on Mar. 20 2008,9:10 am
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,9:10 am |
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| Quote (PoonToonBabe @ Mar. 20 2008,9:00 am) | | I know a lot of people don't like the look or idea of a lifted truck. Â Personally, I like it a lot, but I'm not sold on it entirely. Â Does anyone know if there are places that will do this axel flip on a trailer. cost? Â I know it was suggested that it could be done in an afternoon, but I don't want hubby doing it- YIKES! Â He's a numbers dude, not a mechanical one |
Try Dexter Axle out in San Berdo:
http://www.dexteraxle.com/our_locations
Here's a link to a discussion on axle flipping on Glamis Dunes...guy there used Dexter.
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invisio....ed+axle
Here's a pic of a raised rig w/ flipped axles:
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,9:13 am |
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| Quote (GlassMan @ Mar. 20 2008,8:58 am) | | Quote (WATERDOG @ Mar. 20 2008,8:51 am) | | Is there any insurance issues with raising the trailer? Higher is less stabile which is more dangerous which equals more liability. |
Heck, I've never known an insurance agent who knew the difference...I'm sure there are some, but I have all my toys insured and not once have they asked for so much as a picture.
Now, go and get yourself in an accident and that's a whole 'nother can o woims. They will probably cover you then drop you. Â  |
I think I would want to know if I was covered or not before an accident. Pay and drop is what they do when it's covered. It could be a financail nightmare for them say, "sorry, you modified it, insurace is void. Have a nice day."
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,9:25 am |
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| Quote (WATERDOG @ Mar. 20 2008,9:13 am) | | Quote (GlassMan @ Mar. 20 2008,8:58 am) | | Quote (WATERDOG @ Mar. 20 2008,8:51 am) | | Is there any insurance issues with raising the trailer? Higher is less stabile which is more dangerous which equals more liability. |
Heck, I've never known an insurance agent who knew the difference...I'm sure there are some, but I have all my toys insured and not once have they asked for so much as a picture.
Now, go and get yourself in an accident and that's a whole 'nother can o woims. They will probably cover you then drop you. Â |
I think I would want to know if I was covered or not before an accident. Pay and drop is what they do when it's covered. It could be a financail nightmare for them say, "sorry, you modified it, insurace is void. Have a nice day." |
If an accident were to occur with any significant injuries you can bet your last dollar you will loose everything. They will disect your vehicles and scrutinize them to the hilt. Anything beyond tolerance(weight rating) and non-original equipment/design will be deemed unsafe for its original intent and use.
There was a thread on HB several years ago that described exactly this scenario, the guy lost everything he owned and then some when his Insurance refused to cover a non-compliant rig.
I'm not saying that flipping the axles in non-compliant but I'd not want to run that risk.
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,9:41 am |
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| Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 20 2008,9:25 am) | | Quote (WATERDOG @ Mar. 20 2008,9:13 am) | | Quote (GlassMan @ Mar. 20 2008,8:58 am) | | Quote (WATERDOG @ Mar. 20 2008,8:51 am) | | Is there any insurance issues with raising the trailer? Higher is less stabile which is more dangerous which equals more liability. |
Heck, I've never known an insurance agent who knew the difference...I'm sure there are some, but I have all my toys insured and not once have they asked for so much as a picture.
Now, go and get yourself in an accident and that's a whole 'nother can o woims. They will probably cover you then drop you. Â |
I think I would want to know if I was covered or not before an accident. Pay and drop is what they do when it's covered. It could be a financail nightmare for them say, "sorry, you modified it, insurace is void. Have a nice day." |
If an accident were to occur with any significant injuries you can bet your last dollar you will loose everything. They will disect your vehicles and scrutinize them to the hilt. Anything beyond tolerance(weight rating) and non-original equipment/design will be deemed unsafe for its original intent and use.
There was a thread on HB several years ago that described exactly this scenario, the guy lost everything he owned and then some when his Insurance refused to cover a non-compliant rig.
I'm not saying that flipping the axles in non-compliant but I'd not want to run that risk. |
We almost lost it all a few years back. wife almost lost her life. The person that hit her had no insurance. It had expired 6 1/2 hours before accident. I did get a very nice letter from them though.
Edited by WATERDOG on Mar. 20 2008,9:42 am
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,11:46 am |
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| Quote (tonedog @ Mar. 20 2008,10:43 am) | | Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 20 2008,10:25 am) | | Quote (tonedog @ Mar. 20 2008,10:20 am) | | I didn't know how well they work, seen alot of short beds with crunched cabs! Â |
the sliders work fine. You probably saw guys too cheap to but it though.
With a 35' 5'er a longbed is probably a better idea anyhow.
I never cheap out when it comes to towing, everything has to be right.. |
I agree, I like to error on the side of caution. Â But it all comes down to how much you actually tow. Â If you go to Glamis twice a year, get the lifted truck w/short bed, looks cooler. Â But if you're towing that 5'er every weekend, a stock hight long bed will make life alot easier. |
I guess I past the needing to look cool part of life, I'm more function before form now. Limiting liabilities is important to me.
Can't remember the last time I washed my truck 
It rides on 35's and formerly polished Alloys 
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,12:02 pm |
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| Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 20 2008,11:46 am) | | Quote (tonedog @ Mar. 20 2008,10:43 am) | | Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 20 2008,10:25 am) | | Quote (tonedog @ Mar. 20 2008,10:20 am) | | I didn't know how well they work, seen alot of short beds with crunched cabs! Â |
the sliders work fine. You probably saw guys too cheap to but it though.
With a 35' 5'er a longbed is probably a better idea anyhow.
I never cheap out when it comes to towing, everything has to be right.. |
I agree, I like to error on the side of caution. Â But it all comes down to how much you actually tow. Â If you go to Glamis twice a year, get the lifted truck w/short bed, looks cooler. Â But if you're towing that 5'er every weekend, a stock hight long bed will make life alot easier. |
I guess I past the needing to look cool part of life, I'm more function before form now. Limiting liabilities is important to me.
Can't remember the last time I washed my truck Â
It rides on 35's and formerly polished Alloys  |
Hmm, so you are one of those old men who has given up, huh Zig? Do we need to start reminding you to shower daily too?
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Posted: Mar. 20 2008,12:25 pm |
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| Quote (PoonToonBabe @ Mar. 20 2008,12:02 pm) | | Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 20 2008,11:46 am) | | Quote (tonedog @ Mar. 20 2008,10:43 am) | | Quote (Ziggy @ Mar. 20 2008,10:25 am) | | Quote (tonedog @ Mar. 20 2008,10:20 am) | | I didn't know how well they work, seen alot of short beds with crunched cabs! Â |
the sliders work fine. You probably saw guys too cheap to but it though.
With a 35' 5'er a longbed is probably a better idea anyhow.
I never cheap out when it comes to towing, everything has to be right.. |
I agree, I like to error on the side of caution. Â But it all comes down to how much you actually tow. Â If you go to Glamis twice a year, get the lifted truck w/short bed, looks cooler. Â But if you're towing that 5'er every weekend, a stock hight long bed will make life alot easier. |
I guess I past the needing to look cool part of life, I'm more function before form now. Limiting liabilities is important to me.
Can't remember the last time I washed my truck Â
It rides on 35's and formerly polished Alloys  |
Hmm, so you are one of those old men who has given up, huh Zig? Â Do we need to start reminding you to shower daily too? |
I haven't given up, it just isn't all that important to me anymore, I guess. It costs alot to impress other people
So long as I'm happy that's what matters to me.
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Are you offering to spongebathe me? Daily? If so then yes I need the reminder 
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