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Was an interesting weekend for sure. :p

Sure sounds like it... :eek   Way too much  :drama  in youth sports these days... :beat  :(

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Spent the weekend in Anaheim and Carson. Hyatt in Anaheim was nice and I had a great refinery view from my Carson hotel. :rolleyes
On friday we started at the Anaheim Sports Center for Jr Olympics Volleyball tourney for 15 and under girls. My daughters team played 3rd and 15th ranked teams and lost both matches although they played them tough. Then demoralized they barely lost to a lower ranked team.
Saturday the venue changed to the Home Depot Center in Carson and the drama started to really show.Apparently the coach cursed at our little girls the day before, called a couple of them Demons and all poopoo broke loose. They were so disorganized and half of them bawling their eyes they lost both matches Saturday as well....never mind one chaperoning mother took three of the girls out the night before for fun and games when they should have been put to bed at a decent time...They were up past 1am and had to be back ready to play at 7am.
Sunday they had both games in control and ended up getting tight and loosing them both again, plus once again the one mother never showed up with 2 of the players.
So much drama...the kids themselves wanted to organize and talk with the club owner to oust their coach and ask for a new one. We as parents are organizing as well to get things resolved with the club.
Sucks.
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Other than that it was a nice weekend. First time at the Home Depot Center for me, very impressive facility.
Volleyball is played in the Velodrome building...kinda cool watching some riders practicing around the track during the volleyball matches.

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It Should Be About Playing Together The Best That They Can......Not About Winning All Of The Time.....

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I was an assistant coach for Pop Warner (Junior Pee-Wee's, 10-12 yrs old) for one season.  I couldn't do it.  There are way too many politics involved.  I turned out to be the guy that tried to help (or just pay attention to) the kids that weren't the starters.  At this age I thought it was much more about teaching the kids the very basics.  Like to try your best and to finnish...so many kids just give up when things don't go well.  It was also my job to run laps with the kids at the start of every practice....my favorite part.  I gotta say that 95% of the kids were great, it was the parents and the coaches that made me not want to do it anymore.  Just my experience.

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It Should Be About Playing Together The Best That They Can......Not About Winning All Of The Time.....

Hate to concur w/ CE (bad for the rep), but it has to be fun at this stage or you lose 'em real fast. Always had a sayin' when I coached baseball (way back when) that I stressed to both parents and players. "If you give 100% on every play, you have nothin' to be embarrassed about. Just remember that 100% effort doesn't always ensure success. All 100% effort ensures that you did the best you could at that given time." I used to have kids come back to the dugout with tears after strikin' out with the winnin' run in scorin' position and want to apologize to me and I would always ask them if they had tried their hardest and put forth their best effort. If the answer was "Yes", how could anyone ask for more. We're not all goin' to be superstars but we can all give our best at any given time and still come out winners, regardless of the score. :good
Sounds like your coach may have missed out on a few chances when they were playin' and is tryin' to make up for it. Keep your daughters' and her teammates spirits up because that's what it's about and not the coach's ego. Diversity, and losin' to many is, should build character, not characters!

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The coach caught me attention. If I was father I might have had a short conversation with him.

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There goes da Gig's soft side again. Of course I gotta agree with him.

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Its not just about winning, don't get me wrong there. In fact I specifically asked the girls yesterday after their last game if they still had fun. The girls have a lot of talent but get talked down to by the coach, which demoralizes them and their efforts. We're talking about touchy and emotional 14 yr olds.
The coach is a woman, probably in her early/mid 20's, I'd have expected her to understand them a little better.
We all can tell she wants to do good but her method and tact are amiss. Throwing the F-bomb at them repeatedly is no way to handle 14 yr olds, calling individual girls out as poison in front of their teammates is not right either.
The ironic thing is the "Team Mom" who distributed the team rules to all players and parents is the one who has broken nearly every rule so far. Letting the ones she was 'supervising" stay up til the wee hours of the night/morning and then against rules pumping them with Starbucks caffeine and energy drinks in the morning. IMO she was more at fault for some lackluster performances from those girls than anyone, it was pretty obvious they were dragging tails especially once they crashed off the jolt of caffiene.
Was an interesting weekend for sure. :p

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Was an interesting weekend for sure. :p

Sure sounds like it... :eek   Way too much  :drama  in youth sports these days... :beat  :(
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There were teams from all over the States there, respectively know as National travel teams, which is what our girls are.
At the onset there were well over 100 teams there.
Our girls are far from the best yet the first two teams we played were. Our rank was in the lower range, 100+ and the first two team we played were #3 and #16, which our girls played toe-to-toe for about half of each game(best of three match). Parents and other coaches of sister club teams were very pleased with these results considering the rankings.
After that is when their coach turned sideways on them(again) and their play fell off dramatically.
My mantra is more along the lines of: You get more with Sugar than you do with Spice.
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We parents have a meeting with the club director this thursday to see how we can address some issues.

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Was an interesting weekend for sure. :p

Sure sounds like it... :eek   Way too much  :drama  in youth sports these days... :beat  :(

These club type sports are big biz Shuey. There is a significant investment by parents(many thousands in tuition plus travel expenses) and the girls and parents expect some quality training in return. That has been the biggest issue this season.
The kids in these brackets are serious.
The local teams do not have the same expectations, its almost more a recreational scene.

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offer that 20 something coach a weekend in Havi....fairly sure I can demoralize her and make her cry :laugh

or better yet have CMC tell her how good she looks :puke
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Wow.  I think I just had a flashback to high school, so in advance, please excuse this super long post.  

Back in my day (which wasn't really all that long ago :laugh) lil 'ol PoonToonBabe was a pretty good volleyball player.  

I made varsity my sophomore year and played on highly competitive club teams for all 4 years of high school.  By the end of my junior year, I was being actively recruited by about 20 universities nationwide.  

You would think that I would be able to go on and tell you about my spectacular college volleyball career, however I chose not to play in college, despite being offered several full-ride scholarships.  While I absolutely do not have any regrets about the choice that I made to focus on studies (and some partying-- I did go to SDSU, afterall) while in school, it is things like this that jog my memory and make me think about how my situation was very similar to your daughter's.  

Not once in high school did I have the same coach for consecutive years.  It seems that drama and girls' volleyball teams go hand in hand, at least from my experience.  Although not without drama, thankfully, the club teams that I played for had pretty good coaches.  On the other hand, the coach that I had during my senior year on my high school team was a real piece of work.  To make a long story short, because of her favoritism, constant negativity and a putrid concoction of several other abominable attributes, the majority of my senior year was a nightmare, rather than something I reflect upon fondly.  

Thank goodness my parents were behind me the whole way.  At that age you are so vulnerable, I fear to think about what may have happened if I had to deal with that situation all alone.  A coach is someone you respect and if that person is degrading and belittling, it can do a real number on your self-esteem if you don’t have support behind you.  

All I can say is kudos to you, Ziggy, for being aware of what is going on and being behind your daughter.  I think that you should definitely pursue the possibility of getting the parents together and bringing the situation to light with the directors of the club.  Hopefully all the parents will be on board with you.  We discovered that when it comes down to it, there are always parents that will back out and take the coach’s side in order to get their daughter more playing time or favoritism which, inevitably, causes more dissention in the team.  It sounds like this young coach may be on a bit of a power-trip and hopefully that can be reigned in.  If not, I say get rid of her!  She’s not worth your money and the short time that your daughter has to enjoy this time in her life.  

I really hope that everything works out for your daughter!  Volleyball is an awesome sport and the experience of being a part of that kind of teamwork is unmatched if led by the right person.  


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offer that 20 something coach a weekend in Havi....fairly sure I can demoralize her and make her cry :laugh

or better yet have CMC tell her how good she looks :puke
:rotflmao  :rotflmao

Oddly, she has the physique just the opposite of what you'd expect from a Volleyball player/coach. No bueno on my boat :rotflmao

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Our girls are state champs two years running in volleyball. And this year in basketball.  Hopefully we will get a softball championship.



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Wow.  I think I just had a flashback to high school, so in advance, please excuse this super long post.  

Back in my day (which wasn't really all that long ago :laugh) lil 'ol PoonToonBabe was a pretty good volleyball player.  

I made varsity my sophomore year and played on highly competitive club teams for all 4 years of high school.  By the end of my junior year, I was being actively recruited by about 20 universities nationwide.  

You would think that I would be able to go on and tell you about my spectacular college volleyball career, however I chose not to play in college, despite being offered several full-ride scholarships.  While I absolutely do not have any regrets about the choice that I made to focus on studies (and some partying-- I did go to SDSU, afterall) while in school, it is things like this that jog my memory and make me think about how my situation was very similar to your daughter's.  

Not once in high school did I have the same coach for consecutive years.  It seems that drama and girls' volleyball teams go hand in hand, at least from my experience.  Although not without drama, thankfully, the club teams that I played for had pretty good coaches.  On the other hand, the coach that I had during my senior year on my high school team was a real piece of work.  To make a long story short, because of her favoritism, constant negativity and a putrid concoction of several other abominable attributes, the majority of my senior year was a nightmare, rather than something I reflect upon fondly.  

Thank goodness my parents were behind me the whole way.  At that age you are so vulnerable, I fear to think about what may have happened if I had to deal with that situation all alone.  A coach is someone you respect and if that person is degrading and belittling, it can do a real number on your self-esteem if you don’t have support behind you.  

All I can say is kudos to you, Ziggy, for being aware of what is going on and being behind your daughter.  I think that you should definitely pursue the possibility of getting the parents together and bringing the situation to light with the directors of the club.  Hopefully all the parents will be on board with you.  We discovered that when it comes down to it, there are always parents that will back out and take the coach’s side in order to get their daughter more playing time or favoritism which, inevitably, causes more dissention in the team.  It sounds like this young coach may be on a bit of a power-trip and hopefully that can be reigned in.  If not, I say get rid of her!  She’s not worth your money and the short time that your daughter has to enjoy this time in her life.  

I really hope that everything works out for your daughter!  Volleyball is an awesome sport and the experience of being a part of that kind of teamwork is unmatched if led by the right person.  


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Yeah, the parents are pretty much all aboard for this weeks meeting. One still gives the benefit of the coach trying but will go with what the majority decides because of the teams desire to get better and not be stale. That was one of the main topics us parents discussed. Her coach asked each player to make a wish list at the beginning of the season, not a single girl said they have moved in that direction whatsoever and all they practice is rotation, never any skill work.
The coach flat out told my daughter she couldn't really teach her much because she didn't play front middle.  :stupid  :stupid WTF?? Early on a few things were said to the director but little was made of it. Now 4+ months into it it finally has exploded.
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Wow.  I think I just had a flashback to high school, so in advance, please excuse this super long post.  

Back in my day (which wasn't really all that long ago :laugh) lil 'ol PoonToonBabe was a pretty good volleyball player.  

I made varsity my sophomore year and played on highly competitive club teams for all 4 years of high school.  By the end of my junior year, I was being actively recruited by about 20 universities nationwide.  

You would think that I would be able to go on and tell you about my spectacular college volleyball career, however I chose not to play in college, despite being offered several full-ride scholarships.  While I absolutely do not have any regrets about the choice that I made to focus on studies (and some partying-- I did go to SDSU, afterall) while in school, it is things like this that jog my memory and make me think about how my situation was very similar to your daughter's.  

Not once in high school did I have the same coach for consecutive years.  It seems that drama and girls' volleyball teams go hand in hand, at least from my experience.  Although not without drama, thankfully, the club teams that I played for had pretty good coaches.  On the other hand, the coach that I had during my senior year on my high school team was a real piece of work.  To make a long story short, because of her favoritism, constant negativity and a putrid concoction of several other abominable attributes, the majority of my senior year was a nightmare, rather than something I reflect upon fondly.  

Thank goodness my parents were behind me the whole way.  At that age you are so vulnerable, I fear to think about what may have happened if I had to deal with that situation all alone.  A coach is someone you respect and if that person is degrading and belittling, it can do a real number on your self-esteem if you don’t have support behind you.  

All I can say is kudos to you, Ziggy, for being aware of what is going on and being behind your daughter.  I think that you should definitely pursue the possibility of getting the parents together and bringing the situation to light with the directors of the club.  Hopefully all the parents will be on board with you.  We discovered that when it comes down to it, there are always parents that will back out and take the coach’s side in order to get their daughter more playing time or favoritism which, inevitably, causes more dissention in the team.  It sounds like this young coach may be on a bit of a power-trip and hopefully that can be reigned in.  If not, I say get rid of her!  She’s not worth your money and the short time that your daughter has to enjoy this time in her life.  

I really hope that everything works out for your daughter!  Volleyball is an awesome sport and the experience of being a part of that kind of teamwork is unmatched if led by the right person.  


Rant over.

MaryMac told me you were into V'ball.
Yeah, the parents are pretty much all aboard for this weeks meeting. One still gives the benefit of the coach trying but will go with what the majority decides because of the teams desire to get better and not be stale. That was one of the main topics us parents discussed. Her coach asked each player to make a wish list at the beginning of the season, not a single girl said they have moved in that direction whatsoever and all they practice is rotation, never any skill work.
The coach flat out told my daughter she couldn't really teach her much because she didn't play front middle.  :stupid  :stupid WTF?? Early on a few things were said to the director but little was made of it. Now 4+ months into it it finally has exploded.
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Well, middle blocker IS the best... :good   LOL
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Wow.  I think I just had a flashback to high school, so in advance, please excuse this super long post.  

Back in my day (which wasn't really all that long ago :laugh) lil 'ol PoonToonBabe was a pretty good volleyball player.  

I made varsity my sophomore year and played on highly competitive club teams for all 4 years of high school.  By the end of my junior year, I was being actively recruited by about 20 universities nationwide.  

You would think that I would be able to go on and tell you about my spectacular college volleyball career, however I chose not to play in college, despite being offered several full-ride scholarships.  While I absolutely do not have any regrets about the choice that I made to focus on studies (and some partying-- I did go to SDSU, afterall) while in school, it is things like this that jog my memory and make me think about how my situation was very similar to your daughter's.  

Not once in high school did I have the same coach for consecutive years.  It seems that drama and girls' volleyball teams go hand in hand, at least from my experience.  Although not without drama, thankfully, the club teams that I played for had pretty good coaches.  On the other hand, the coach that I had during my senior year on my high school team was a real piece of work.  To make a long story short, because of her favoritism, constant negativity and a putrid concoction of several other abominable attributes, the majority of my senior year was a nightmare, rather than something I reflect upon fondly.  

Thank goodness my parents were behind me the whole way.  At that age you are so vulnerable, I fear to think about what may have happened if I had to deal with that situation all alone.  A coach is someone you respect and if that person is degrading and belittling, it can do a real number on your self-esteem if you don’t have support behind you.  

All I can say is kudos to you, Ziggy, for being aware of what is going on and being behind your daughter.  I think that you should definitely pursue the possibility of getting the parents together and bringing the situation to light with the directors of the club.  Hopefully all the parents will be on board with you.  We discovered that when it comes down to it, there are always parents that will back out and take the coach’s side in order to get their daughter more playing time or favoritism which, inevitably, causes more dissention in the team.  It sounds like this young coach may be on a bit of a power-trip and hopefully that can be reigned in.  If not, I say get rid of her!  She’s not worth your money and the short time that your daughter has to enjoy this time in her life.  

I really hope that everything works out for your daughter!  Volleyball is an awesome sport and the experience of being a part of that kind of teamwork is unmatched if led by the right person.  


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Yeah, the parents are pretty much all aboard for this weeks meeting. One still gives the benefit of the coach trying but will go with what the majority decides because of the teams desire to get better and not be stale. That was one of the main topics us parents discussed. Her coach asked each player to make a wish list at the beginning of the season, not a single girl said they have moved in that direction whatsoever and all they practice is rotation, never any skill work.
The coach flat out told my daughter she couldn't really teach her much because she didn't play front middle.  :stupid  :stupid WTF?? Early on a few things were said to the director but little was made of it. Now 4+ months into it it finally has exploded.
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Well, middle blocker IS the best... :good   LOL

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I was an assistant coach for Pop Warner (Junior Pee-Wee's, 10-12 yrs old) for one season.  I couldn't do it.  There are way too many politics involved.  I turned out to be the guy that tried to help (or just pay attention to) the kids that weren't the starters.  At this age I thought it was much more about teaching the kids the very basics.  Like to try your best and to finnish...so many kids just give up when things don't go well.  It was also my job to run laps with the kids at the start of every practice....my favorite part.  I gotta say that 95% of the kids were great, it was the parents and the coaches that made me not want to do it anymore.  Just my experience.

Our coach has refused outside help....two of the parents are coaches at high schools in fact and offered to help out. They just want to help and not try taking over as the coach seems to think. Half the time girls are standing around doing nothing during practice. Other times she likes to just sit around and talk with the girls, trying to get chummy with them. Our team girls want to be taught stuff not just sit around and chat.
Last night they had practice and apparently the coach gave in a bit because she let one parent help out. Boy-o-boy were the girls sweating. My daughter came home and said "that was fun today".
We're all still meeting Thursday nite with the club director...see what unfolds then.
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I said to someone the other day.....just because someone was a good player it doesn't always translate to them being a good coach.

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The problem with helping out is that alot of coaches are afraid that you'll show them up or try to take over....it's a very fine line.  I think that a great head coach isn't the best player or even the best coach....they need to be a great motivator, deligator, and supervisor.  Knowing when to let go is the hardest part.

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The problem with helping out is that alot of coaches are afraid that you'll show them up or try to take over....it's a very fine line.  I think that a great head coach isn't the best player or even the best coach....they need to be a great motivator, deligator, and supervisor.  Knowing when to let go is the hardest part.

Without question that is an issue, she didn't want any assistance for that very fear.
The other characteristics you mention need to be in place are missing although I know she has her heart in the right place.

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The problem with helping out is that alot of coaches are afraid that you'll show them up or try to take over....it's a very fine line.  I think that a great head coach isn't the best player or even the best coach....they need to be a great motivator, deligator, and supervisor.  Knowing when to let go is the hardest part.

Without question that is an issue, she didn't want any assistance for that very fear.
The other characteristics you mention need to be in place are missing although I know she has her heart in the right place.

On top of all the other problems sounds unsure of her own abilities. I'd give her the boot. In past experiances, if the kids aren't having fun their not real interested in developing skills anyway.

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offer that 20 something coach a weekend in Havi....fairly sure I can demoralize her and make her cry :laugh

I have no doubt about that...   :finger

Saw Karl's quote used on other boards 100% out of context. I would like to take her out and humilliate her in public too. You may quote me on that.

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Saw Karl's quote used on other boards 100% out of context.

Actually, once you get to know Karl's methods of stalking and intimidation, pretty much any comment like that really isn't out of context.  The guy is a serious control stalking assclown.  I can give you a list of references.  :finger

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