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Post Icon Posted: Jan. 28 2009,10:16 am Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply

Jan 8, 2009:

In giving the broad outlines of his economic stimulus program on Thursday, Sen. Barack Obama said “only government can provide the solution to the country’s economic ills.
Doing too little or nothing will lead to worse trouble. Government is the answer:"


Today Jan 28, 2009:
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"Business, not government, is the engine of growth in this country."


When Obomb ran on a platform of Change, did his supporters know he ment he'd change his position every 3 weeks?


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Stop it ! Please!

You are scaring the $hit out of me...I knew it was going to be bad...but this bad??  :eek

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Thing is, I can get behind his statment of today. I can find myself chanting  ...O-Bom-Ma, O-Bom-Ma...

But which statement is HE really behind?!?  :banghead


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Craaaaaaaaaaazy.........man, I stand behind our Commander in Chief(I did not vote for him btw) but I don't know if anyone can fix this as fast as anyone wants it to be.
Clintons poor choice to sign legislation to "ease the home buying criteria" took 8 years to manifest itself as the bad idea many thought.
To blame W for everything that is wrong is simply short-sighted.
Had any other Dem been in the Whitehouse during the same period I doubt things would be much different.
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I do however blame Clinton for not taking out Osama when he had the chance during his term.
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I do applaud how Obomb it "trying" to make it seem things will be different but it won't take long IMO that Washington will be back to Business as Usual sooner than later.


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Quote (Ziggy @ Jan. 28 2009,11:55 am)
Craaaaaaaaaaazy.........man, I stand behind our Commander in Chief(I did not vote for him btw) but I don't know if anyone can fix this as fast as anyone wants it to be.
Clintons poor choice to sign legislation to "ease the home buying criteria" took 8 years to manifest itself as the bad idea many thought.
To blame W for everything that is wrong is simply short-sighted.
Had any other Dem been in the Whitehouse during the same period I doubt things would be much different.
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I do however blame Clinton for not taking out Osama when he had the chance during his term.
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I do applaud how Obomb it "trying" to make it seem things will be different but it won't take long IMO that Washington will be back to Business as Usual sooner than later.

No one man and/or his administration is gonna get us outta this anytime soon. It's gonna be a long, dreadful road and things are bound to get worse before they get better. Just watched a vid of Ron Paul over on infowars.com . He still seems to be the most qualified and has a better grasp of what it is gonna take to get this ship righted. Just in case y'all are interested-

http://www.infowars.com/ron-pau....ression


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I Think That Ron Paul Is On The Right Track......


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Maybe Joe The Plumber has all the answers... :rolleyes
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One Never Knows For Sure...... :D


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The only for sure bet is that things gotta hit bottom before they go up again. I still say we're not even close to the bottom yet.

Edited by WATERDOG on Jan. 29 2009,7:53 am


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Quote (WATERDOG @ Jan. 28 2009,2:04 pm)
The only for sure bet is that things gotta hurt bottom before they go up again. I still say we're not even close to the bottom yet.

We can only hope you're mistaken and we are nearin' the bottom..... :(


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We're in a bad situation for sure. I just wish our president would prove me wrong of my impression of him being a puppet/salesman.

Another quote from his campaigne days went something like...
'Just tell me what to do and I'll sell it'

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

Also said he was going to take a 'scalpel' and cut spending. Not a 'hatchet' as McCain wanted to do. OK, so where are the cuts? Looks more like he's takeing a 'hose' and letting loose on spending.

If he's made any spending cuts, I've missed them.


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Wednesday 01/28/09 10:23 PM EST Refresh
House Passes Economic Stimulus Planposted:5 MINUTES AGO

The Democratic-controlled House approves a $819 billion economic stimulus bill containing emergency spending and tax cuts urged by President Barack Obama. The legislation, which passes 244-188, draws the support of all but 11 Democrats, while all Republicans oppose it.


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Quote (Hockey Family @ Jan. 28 2009,4:04 pm)
We're in a bad situation for sure. I just wish our president would prove me wrong of my impression of him being a puppet/salesman.

Another quote from his campaigne days went something like...
'Just tell me what to do and I'll sell it'

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

Also said he was going to take a 'scalpel' and cut spending. Not a 'hatchet' as McCain wanted to do. OK, so where are the cuts? Looks more like he's takeing a 'hose' and letting loose on spending.

If he's made any spending cuts, I've missed them.

I guess you don't like things much...  :say?  HUH... :rolleyes
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don't get me started here.... :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead :pissed  :pissed  :pissed  :pissed  :pissed  :pissed

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Quote (gigamurph @ Jan. 28 2009,3:15 pm)
Quote (WATERDOG @ Jan. 28 2009,2:04 pm)
The only for sure bet is that things gotta hurt bottom before they go up again. I still say we're not even close to the bottom yet.

We can only hope you're mistaken and we are nearin' the bottom..... :(

That would be great, but I don't think we're close to to the bottom either, hope I'm wrong too!.. :banghead
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2010 sometime...maybe... :rolleyes
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Quote (shueman @ Jan. 29 2009,6:58 am)
2010 sometime...maybe... :rolleyes

Yeah "maybe"!.. :(
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Wow, this has been an encouraging thread to start the day off with.  :cry  Problem is, You can't argue with anything that's being said here.  :rolleyes


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There won't be any turn around or even leveling off till people can keep their jobs. Maybe better to say company's can support their employees and keep the doors open. Last Nov-Dec. about 8K people per day were loseing there jobs. Rate is now about 25,000 per day. These are friggin huge numbers that effect every aspect of the whole economy.


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There won't be any turn around or even leveling off till people can keep their jobs. Maybe better to say company's can support their employees and keep the doors open. Last Nov-Dec. about 8K people per day were loseing there jobs. Rate is now about 25,000 per day. These are friggin huge numbers that effect every aspect of the whole economy.

Its way to much like the Chicken and Egg dispute....what has to come first?


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Quote (Hockey Family @ Jan. 28 2009,4:04 pm)
We're in a bad situation for sure. I just wish our president would prove me wrong of my impression of him being a puppet/salesman.

Another quote from his campaigne days went something like...
'Just tell me what to do and I'll sell it'

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

Also said he was going to take a 'scalpel' and cut spending. Not a 'hatchet' as McCain wanted to do. OK, so where are the cuts? Looks more like he's takeing a 'hose' and letting loose on spending.

If he's made any spending cuts, I've missed them.

I guess you don't like things much...  :say?  HUH... :rolleyes

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Quote (WATERDOG @ Jan. 29 2009,8:31 am)
There won't be any turn around or even leveling off till people can keep their jobs. Maybe better to say company's can support their employees and keep the doors open. Last Nov-Dec. about 8K people per day were loseing there jobs. Rate is now about 25,000 per day. These are friggin huge numbers that effect every aspect of the whole economy.

Its way to much like the Chicken and Egg dispute....what has to come first?

Perfect analogy. Where do we start. Where can we start. Auto industry is a good example. Gov can bail them out forever. None will be profitable untill they sell cars. Some peeps might buy but they might lose their jobs tomorrow and just plain scared. Others would like to but the bank wants 100K collateral for a 40K loan.


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We're in a bad situation for sure. I just wish our president would prove me wrong of my impression of him being a puppet/salesman.

Another quote from his campaigne days went something like...
'Just tell me what to do and I'll sell it'

Doesn't sound like a leader to me.

Also said he was going to take a 'scalpel' and cut spending. Not a 'hatchet' as McCain wanted to do. OK, so where are the cuts? Looks more like he's takeing a 'hose' and letting loose on spending.

If he's made any spending cuts, I've missed them.

If I may be so bold as to attempt to address your contentions.....

A "good" leader will always "sell" his "crew" that the direction that he is about to lead them in is the "sanest, safest, and most beneficial" for them. Haven't you ever had the ol' "rah-rah" speech that all is well and we're about to "set sail on the most exciting time of our endeavour"? While all the time you're sittin' there either scratchin' your head and/or crappin' or pants and sayin' "What?".

Secondly, IMO, a "scalpel" is the tool of choice for this operation. The "hatchet" that has been wielded the last 4-6 years has already "butcherd up" the "patient" enough. Now it's time to clean up the wounds, pick up the pieces, and resuscitate the "victim(s)". We don't need to go into this blindly "hacking" away at it. We need to work fast while doin' our best to avoid the mistakes that damn near killed the patient in the first place. We ned to get money back into the hands of the near-extinct middle class. History has proven that it's the middle-class workin' peopel who pull "us" out of these downturns. We're the ones who can't afford to sit on our "stimulus dollars". we spend them, unlike many of the wealthy, political, and "corporate", who tend to hoard their capital in times like this. What's really goin' to make this difficult is that "we" my have waited too long to get this ball rollin' to prevent catastrophic closures and loss of jobs as we are witnessing nationwide, nay, worldwide. It was reported today that the number of people seeking and receiving unemployment benefits is at an all-time high. Greater than even the "Great Depression". But how do you account for the lower % you ask. Simply more people living and of working age right now and the programs that were available in the '20s and '30s did not track the "claiments" as they do today.

The cuts that he is going to be able to get passed are going to be of little consequence due them being "neutered" by bi-partisanship. Not one single Republican, not even the "beloved" maverick McCain (who may have abstained, I didn't see the final tally breakdown) voted for Obama's stimulus package. Does anyone else see where this is going? The, excuse my "french", F*CKING MORONS IN DC have learned absolutely ZIP in the last 100 tears; so why would they have learned anything inthe last 6 months. They're not voting for what may or amy not be the best plan for you and me, Americans. They're voting for what they believe is best for their respective parties. They're not even going to give it or us a chance to make a difference.

Now, remember that that is just my opinion. I believe WD hit the nail on the proverbial head. This economy will not turn around until people can keep their jobs and regain their confidence that those jobs are going to be there tomorrow. I mean; are you going to go out and buy a new car today, not knowing if you're going to be employed tommorrow? I think not.

To take it one step further, let me lay upon you something the wife said a couple of weeks ago. She thinks that if the government really wants to "bail" anyone out, it should be the people. Erase any and all debt that has been accrued through shady and/or questionable loans and let the a$$holes who perpetuated this fiasco pay for it instead of blindly giving them more money to continue doing what got us here in the first place. Is anyone giving you you money unquestioningly because you have over-extended yourself and can't afford to continue with your "way of life"? Nope; didn't think so.

It's a big a$$ nasty mess we're in and I don't think we're going to see much change until the, forgive my "french" once again, F*CKING A$$HOLES IN DC start working TOGETHER and quit licking the a$$es of the culprits that got us here!
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Please forgive da gig for the long a$$ preceding post. I'm runnin' on three hours sleep and alot of pain (even after 2 Vicodin) and I tend to get a little testy when that happens. Think I need to go and make myself a few "High Balls" to help out.
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If I may be so bold .....

I would not expect anything less from Da Gig   :beer


BTW
Heard he (we) hired a new whitehouse chef. Not to replace the chef that Clinton and Bush used, but to add another chef. Because this was his personal chef in Chi-town and he 'knows what the obama's like to eat'.

So I guess he has 'created' at least one (government) job so far.   :banghead

I'm trying hard to find something I can like about this guy.


Edited by Hockey Family on Jan. 29 2009,5:39 pm


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