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Post Icon Posted: May 09 2009,7:44 am Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
Well, I'm kinda stuck here and hoping someone has some idea on how to fix the situation.
I went down to California last week and traded my Flatbottom for a Gullwing Jet and trailer.  I was told before I made the trip that all the paperwork was there.
So, I find out that the boat trailer has no paperwork as far as a title or registration goes, but it is registered with a CA PTI Plate.
My parents have went down to DMV in CA and got the boat titled, no problem because it had a title.  I am trying to get it all titled with a CA PAPER title before transfer ownership to WA State
But, they have been to DMV 3 times and we are no further on the Trailer Registration.  The DMV says to transfer and title on a Paperless Title/PTI Plate, you MUST have the Registration and Bill of Sale.  Well, the Bill of sale is not a problem, but the registration is.  DMV looked up the plate number and confirmed that the trailer is registered to the same guy whose name was on the NEW MEXICO Boat Title.  But they would not give his current and REGISTERED CA address.  We need the lost Registration form filled out along with the request to transfer PTI plates form, but it MUST be done by the registered owner of record and MUST include his address If I knew his accurate California address that's listed on the registration it would be a done deal already.....

Anyone know anyone or have any ideas on how I can get this thing titled?  Can't do it in WA without a title, so it has to start in CA :banghead  :banghead

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Jim, how long since the trailer been registered??, after 5 years it is wiped out from their system and don't exist, I went trough the same $hit with that B boat ditch pump, took about 3 months to get it registered over here!..
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this trailer is useless to me without a title.
Anyone have a TITLED trailer for sale? :rolleyes  :rolleyes



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Both of my last boats had PTI plates and no "pink slip"...I only got one for the boat.  Had no problems registering them in my name.  It's my understanding that once the PTI fees were paid, that's it...it goes with the boat, as long as they match up in the registration history.   AAA handled it for me...
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Jim, it will work I had no title either just a bill of sale. Just tell there is none, they will make you get a statement from CA DMV, when it comes back take it to them up there, then they'll make you try to contact the owner by registered mail for them to get a title, to make this quick tell the people you got it from not to accept the letter, when you get it back take it to them unopened, then they will make you put up a bond on it, then they will give you a title and number for the trailer!. That's what I had to do here, the frikkin boat took 15 minutes, go figure!.. :rolleyes

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Both of my last boats had PTI plates and no "pink slip"...I only got one for the boat.  Had no problems registering them in my name.  It's my understanding that once the PTI fees were paid, that's it...it goes with the boat, as long as they match up in the registration history.   AAA handled it for me...

Yeah, but when you try to register it in another state they want a title to show you didn't steal it!..
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Jim, how long since the trailer been registered??, after 5 years it is wiped out from their system and don't exist, I went trough the same $hit with that B boat ditch pump, took about 3 months to get it registered over here!..

It was recently registered in CA.  This year...



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Jim, it will work I had no title either just a bill of sale. Just tell there is none, they will make you get a statement from CA DMV, when it comes back take it to them up there, then they'll make you try to contact the owner by registered mail for them to get a title, to make this quick tell the people you got it from not to accept the letter, when you get it back take it to them unopened, then they will make you put up a bond on it, then they will give you a title and number for the trailer!. That's what I had to do here, the frikkin boat took 15 minutes, go figure!.. :rolleyes

Yes, the DMV people told my father about the registered letter deal.  BUT, in order to do that, I have to know what the address is of the CURRENT REGISTERED OWNER, which I do not have :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  The guy i got it from never registered it, so it is registered to a guy I have never seen or spoken with.  I have a name, but that's it. The boat was easy...only took a few minutes.  I had a signed New Mexico Title for it and it is the same name that DMV is showing as the registered owner of the trailer...But I only have his OLD New Mexico address and not the California registered address.

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Both of my last boats had PTI plates and no "pink slip"...I only got one for the boat.  Had no problems registering them in my name.  It's my understanding that once the PTI fees were paid, that's it...it goes with the boat, as long as they match up in the registration history.   AAA handled it for me...

We tried AAA also.....And I'm more than willing to pay any PTI or any other fees just to get this damn thing done and legal.  But DMV is holding firm...AAA wasn't much help either.  I only have 1 week left to get this done



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Jim, it will work I had no title either just a bill of sale. Just tell there is none, they will make you get a statement from CA DMV, when it comes back take it to them up there, then they'll make you try to contact the owner by registered mail for them to get a title, to make this quick tell the people you got it from not to accept the letter, when you get it back take it to them unopened, then they will make you put up a bond on it, then they will give you a title and number for the trailer!. That's what I had to do here, the frikkin boat took 15 minutes, go figure!.. :rolleyes

Yes, the DMV people told my father about the registered letter deal.  BUT, in order to do that, I have to know what the address is of the CURRENT REGISTERED OWNER, which I do not have :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  The boat was easy...only took a few minutes.  I had a signed New Mexico Title for it

Right, there is none so it goes to the one you bought it from for a notarized bill of sale, he refuses the letter then it comes back to you, then you take it to the DMV there unopened!..
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Jim, it will work I had no title either just a bill of sale. Just tell there is none, they will make you get a statement from CA DMV, when it comes back take it to them up there, then they'll make you try to contact the owner by registered mail for them to get a title, to make this quick tell the people you got it from not to accept the letter, when you get it back take it to them unopened, then they will make you put up a bond on it, then they will give you a title and number for the trailer!. That's what I had to do here, the frikkin boat took 15 minutes, go figure!.. :rolleyes

Yes, the DMV people told my father about the registered letter deal.  BUT, in order to do that, I have to know what the address is of the CURRENT REGISTERED OWNER, which I do not have :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  The boat was easy...only took a few minutes.  I had a signed New Mexico Title for it

Right, there is none so it goes to the one you bought it from for a notarized bill of sale, he refuses the letter then it comes back to you, then you take it to the DMV there unopened!..

Well, the guy I got it from got My Cole, and I had ALOT of communication from him for a while....until he got the Cole.  Now getting the info that I need from him seems to have been filled with empty "I'll get it to you tomorrow morning" promises.  
I don't think I would be able to get a Notarized Bill of Sale from the guy I got it from, just based on communication/lack of interest that I have seen since the deal was done.  I really haven't had any help from the guy I got the boat/trailer from  in getting this resolved.     Starting to regret this whole deal....I should have just turned around and headed back North with the Cole.



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I had a signed New Mexico Title for it and it is the same name that DMV is showing as the registered owner of the trailer...

You'd think that would be enough "proof"  :say? ....sheesh.... :beat   No wonder you moved... :laugh
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I don't think I would be able to get a Notarized Bill of Sale from the guy I got it from

That's ok, he'll refuse the registered letter and when it comes back you take it to the DMV unopened then they know you tried to get one, that's what I had to do. The DMV where you're at will have instructions on how to do all of it!..
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I had a signed New Mexico Title for it and it is the same name that DMV is showing as the registered owner of the trailer...

You'd think that would be enough "proof"  :say? ....sheesh.... :beat   No wonder you moved... :laugh

Gary, it's no different here, I went through the exact thing with the B boat, I bought it with just a bill of sale. They made me send CA for a record of the boat and trailer, well it was more than 5 years since it was registered, so they sent "official" documents that said it don't exist no records, they didn't seem to care and I had to go through all kinds of crap to register it, but the Fish and Game accepted the CA documents and the boat took 15 minutes!.. :banghead
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Grind off any identifying numbers. Paint it if you have to. Lose the plate.

File a Statement of Construction:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg5036.pdf

I've built a few trailers just to have to shuttle boats around.

A buddy is building a trailer for his buggy as we speak...at least he better be, he has two weeks to finish it! :beat

He'll be filing the very same form to register the trailer.

Tell 'em you built it or had it built.  :D  :good

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Grind off any identifying numbers. Paint it if you have to. Lose the plate.

File a Statement of Construction:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg5036.pdf

I've built a few trailers just to have to shuttle boats around.

A buddy is building a trailer for his buggy as we speak...at least he better be, he has two weeks to finish it! :beat

He'll be filing the very same form to register the trailer.

Tell 'em you built it or had it built.  :D  :good

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This is a great "last resort" suggestion. Although, I would tell them you built it yourself, in case they ask you for the person that built it....

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Great thread here... :good   Def. one for the archives, or a good sticky... :beer
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I thought about the statement of construction, especially since it is already a homemade trailer and the VIN is just "welded" on the tongue.  HOWEVER, when doing a statement of construction on a home built trailer, you have to take it to a certified scale and have it weighed and take in the weight slip to DMV with you.
2 Problems with that.  The first one is that the boat is sitting on the trailer.  But the second problem is much bigger....The trailer and boat are up here in SPokane, WA where I live.

Back to square one :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead
There is another option.....I have a Nephew who is a Sacramento County Sheriff and an Aunt that is an Insurance Broker.  Both have the ability to run the plate and get me the RO's info.....Now I just got to talk one of them into running it for me so I can get the accurate info that I need to get this done. :rolleyes  :rolleyes



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Great thread here... :good   Def. one for the archives, or a good sticky... :beer

I agree.  Lots of good info in this thread that boaters can use for future reference.

I'll keep pushing forward on my situation and will let ya's all know how I finally get it resolved



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Grind off any identifying numbers. Paint it if you have to. Lose the plate.

File a Statement of Construction:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg5036.pdf

I've built a few trailers just to have to shuttle boats around.

A buddy is building a trailer for his buggy as we speak...at least he better be, he has two weeks to finish it! :beat

He'll be filing the very same form to register the trailer.

Tell 'em you built it or had it built.  :D  :good

Done that more than once!.. :good
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2 Problems with that.  The first one is that the boat is sitting on the trailer.  But the second problem is much bigger....The trailer and boat are up here in SPokane, WA where I live.

No biggie taking the boat off, but why is it a problem having the trailer where you live, aren't you going to register it in WA???.. :stupid
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I Have Had To "Abandon" More Than One Vehicle At A Friends House....They Called DMV And They Sent A Guy Out To "Inspect" The Vehicles....About 3 Weeks Later, They Had A Title......Cost Was About $50.....

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2 Problems with that.  The first one is that the boat is sitting on the trailer.  But the second problem is much bigger....The trailer and boat are up here in SPokane, WA where I live.

No biggie taking the boat off, but why is it a problem having the trailer where you live, aren't you going to register it in WA???.. :stupid

Washington won't even touch it without a Title.  I figured it would be easier to transfer the PTI in CA, pay the $16 extra for a Paper Title, and then transfer it to WA....no problem right? :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  Along with that, a home built construction Trailer in WA requires that you have receipts for Materials purchased by a business in WA that is registered as the same type of business, IE; Steel Manufacturer, retailer.  My computer business could NOT give a receipt for STeel.  AFter that, along with the weight slip, it requires that you take it to the Washington STate Patrol Inspection Station and they inspect it thouroughly.  If no issues founr, you take your recepts for materials, Certified Weight Slip, WSP Inspection Paperwork, and naturally the DMV forms...take them in and they will issue a VIN and title.   WAAAAYYYY too much work!  And, I'd hate to get questioned by the WSP as to why there are a bunch of grinder marks on the tongue (Where the current VIN is on it now)
I'll keep pushing forward with the "Easy"  (HAHA!!;) PTI Transfer in CA.

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2 Problems with that.  The first one is that the boat is sitting on the trailer.  But the second problem is much bigger....The trailer and boat are up here in SPokane, WA where I live.

No biggie taking the boat off, but why is it a problem having the trailer where you live, aren't you going to register it in WA???.. :stupid

Washington won't even touch it without a Title.  I figured it would be easier to transfer the PTI in CA, pay the $16 extra for a Paper Title, and then transfer it to WA....no problem right? :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  Along with that, a home built construction Trailer in WA requires that you have receipts for Materials purchased by a business in WA that is registered as the same type of business, IE; Steel Manufacturer, retailer.  My computer business could NOT give a receipt for STeel.  AFter that, along with the weight slip, it requires that you take it to the Washington STate Patrol Inspection Station and they inspect it thouroughly.  If no issues founr, you take your recepts for materials, Certified Weight Slip, WSP Inspection Paperwork, and naturally the DMV forms...take them in and they will issue a VIN and title.   WAAAAYYYY too much work!  And, I'd hate to get questioned by the WSP as to why there are a bunch of grinder marks on the tongue (Where the current VIN is on it now)
I'll keep pushing forward with the "Easy"  (HAHA!!;) PTI Transfer in CA.

I'd say Washington sucks!.. :rolleyes  :laugh
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