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French, Brazilians still on hunt for downed Airbus

PARIS – French and Brazilian search teams have found no debris confirmed to have come from the Airbus A330 that vanished over the Atlantic, officials said Friday.

I can only imagine the grief and anguish the friends and relatives of those on board must be going through.  :(

First they report having found debris....now they say it isn't from that plane.

Does this mean there is still hope? Could you or I possibly muster any hope after being told the plane was destroyed?

I'd be going crazy....er, crazier.  :stupid

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Were they anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle?  :stupid


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My understanding is that the debris that was picked up wasn't near the initial sighting of the airplane seat and the oil slick, and that heavy weather is preventing anyone from getting to that site.  At this point finding the black boxes may take a miracle.  Well, they may find them, it's the recovery that would take a miracle.  Conservatively they're saying the wreckage could be 2 miles down, but deeper may be more realistic. :(   I don't see how there could be any hope at this point (other than the "spacequake/parallel dimension theory from my favorite Louis L'Amour book), but if it were my loved ones on that flight I don't know how I would reconcile logic/reality with hope.  God Bless them all... :cry


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Were they anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle?  :stupid

I haven't looked at a map, but I'm guessing real close, perhaps to close. :stupid


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Were they anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle?  :stupid

I haven't looked at a map, but I'm guessing real close, perhaps to close. :stupid

Nope.  They were technically under Senegalese ATC jurisdiction, but never checked in.


Edited by CaliKat on June 05 2009,9:53 am


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Were they anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle?  :stupid

I haven't looked at a map, but I'm guessing real close, perhaps to close. :stupid

Nope.  They were technically under Senegalese ATC jurisdiction, but never checked in.

"Senegalese ATC jurisdiction", can't find that on the map either. :good


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Were they anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle?  :stupid

I haven't looked at a map, but I'm guessing real close, perhaps to close. :stupid

Nope.  They were technically under Senegalese ATC jurisdiction, but never checked in.

"Senegalese ATC jurisdiction", can't find that on the map either. :good

Senegal...west coast of Africa.  If you can find the Cape Verde Islands on your map, go east til you hit the coast. ;)


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Were they anywhere near the Bermuda Triangle?  :stupid

I haven't looked at a map, but I'm guessing real close, perhaps to close. :stupid

Nope.  They were technically under Senegalese ATC jurisdiction, but never checked in.

"Senegalese ATC jurisdiction", can't find that on the map either. :good

Senegal...west coast of Africa.  If you can find the Cape Verde Islands on your map, go east til you hit the coast. ;)

Now I'm really confused. Flying from So. Amer. to Europe. How did Africa come into this. Aren't they a few thousand miles out of the way. :stupid


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Ken, Are you still using Christopher Columbus' map? The one you got in grade school?  :stupid


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Ken, Are you still using Christopher Columbus' map? The one you got in grade school?  :stupid

Damn right I am, you priced maps lately. :eek


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I hear ya on the "not knowing driving the loved ones crazy". But you know what? It can't be too far off from the burden that people must carry with them concerning loved ones lost in combat in the many conflicts that the US has participated in; 9/11; Flight 77(?) over Lockerbie, Scotland; etc. Losing someone dear to you is bad enough; but not knowing 100% of their fate must be extremely unsettling. I've always been amazed at the human spirit in those that don't know being strong enough to carry on. May God grant them strength in these terrible times.


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Got in grade school? I thought he got that map from ol' Chris himself. :p


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Damn right I am, you priced maps lately. :eek

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Well its been a few days and they are starting to pull some bodies out. so they will be able to get a better read on where the wreakage is. Sad to see the bodies but at least they will get to go home to the families.  :(


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Does this mean there is still hope? Could you or I possibly muster any hope after being told the plane was destroyed?

I'd be going crazy....er, crazier.  :stupid

where is it?   :alien

No Hope. No Way. No How.

If a plane does not arrive at its destination and no one can find it, its not good.....ever.

Heard they were finding more bodies tonight. The FDR should be a challange to find. I'd like to see that data when/if its found.

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Never a good thing when planes go down. Sad for the families who have lost loved ones.
Just heard on the news, 16 bodies and some debris. :(


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Communications summary:

French and Brazilian officials have described a "burst" of messages from Flight 447 just before it disappeared.

A more complete chronology was published Wednesday by Brazil's O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper, citing an unidentified Air France source, and confirmed to The Associated Press by an aviation industry source with knowledge of the investigation:

(Actual communications are not being (leagally) released, and will not be reprinted here)

• 11 p.m. local time — The pilot sends a manual signal saying the jet was flying through CBs — towering cumulo-nimulus thunderheads. (This is not good)(I think he meant Cumulo-nimbus)

• 11:10 p.m. — A cascade of automatic messages indicate trouble: The autopilot had disengaged, stabilizing controls were damaged, flight systems deteriorated. (This is very bad)

• 11:13 p.m. — Messages report more problems: The system that monitors speed, altitude and direction failed. The main flight computer and wing spoilers failed. (This is fatal)

• 11:14 p.m. — The final message indicates a loss of cabin pressure and complete system failure — catastrophic events in a plane that was likely already plunging toward the ocean. (This is it)

Actual communications should be relaesed in 6 to 8 months.....


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Damn right I am, you priced maps lately. :eek

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I still have one from 1982 laying around someplace!. :D
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I don't use maps....I thought that us men were supposed to know where we are going at all times..... :stupid


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Airspeed Pitot tubes to be replaced in same type aircraft...

Airbus ASI Pitot tubes to be replaced...




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:(


http://www.nytimes.com/2009....f=world


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Damn right I am, you priced maps lately. :eek

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I still have one from 1982 laying around someplace!. :D

You Probably Have An 1882 Around There...... :laugh  :laugh  :D


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Ken, Are you still using Christopher Columbus' map? The one you got in grade school?  :stupid

Damn right I am, you priced maps lately. :eek

No Doubt about the price for a map, I still use the one that I started trucking otr with back in 1990 and I just eep drawing little line for all the new hyways. LOL

I still have one from 1982 laying around someplace!. :D

You Probably Have An 1882 Around There...... :laugh  :laugh  :D

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- In one way we know a huge amount about the loss of Air France flight 447 -- much more than is usual so soon after an accident. But in another, we know nothing at all.


The simple fact is that the blizzard of airworthiness directives, company memos, weather reports, technical specifications and diverse other documents that have surfaced since last week constitute entirely circumstantial evidence.

Aviation history is replete with accidents with causes utterly unrelated to what first seemed the obvious explanation.

For the investigators, the challenge is to keep an open mind while simultaneously pursuing obvious leads before evidence is lost and memories become stale.

But all that said, there are real clues to what might have happened to this Airbus A330.

Two things we know for certain: The aircraft did penetrate a region of severe weather, and the pilots were eventually confronted with a rapid series of system failures.

Unfortunately without the "black box" flight data recorders -- which would detail what happened to the aircraft's complex systems and how the crew behaved -- the precise sequence of events will be difficult to pin down. And their deep-water location puts them at the very limits of what is possible in terms of recovery.

The key question is perhaps not why the aircraft finally went out of control, but how it came to be where it was in the first place.

Did the crew appreciate the full extent of the wide band of storms confronting them? If they did not, then why not? And if they did, then did they take appropriate action?  

This is not to imply that they made errors. Even with today's extremely sophisticated onboard weather radars, divining the true extent and power of a storm system remains an imperfect science, and some storm systems are simply not fully detectable by the radar.

Even if they did suspect trouble lay ahead, would any crew have felt comfortable taking the unusual decision to make a huge diversion around the system while out of radar range, or even to turn back?

What is also certain is that once they penetrated the storm, they were in a situation in which we know for a fact other A330s had suffered serious difficulties.

The A330's Pitot tube -- which in simple terms measures its speed through the air -- has proved unusually susceptible to icing and an improved model has been gradually fitted to the fleet, though not to the aircraft in question.

An iced-up Pitot tube deprives the pilots and the aircraft's automatic systems of airspeed information, making the aircraft much harder to fly and preventing numerous onboard functions from working properly -- a highly plausible explanation for the string of error messages sent by the aircraft shortly before the crash.

As it happens, an unusually detailed account of what happens in those circumstances has turned up in the form of an internal memo written in French last December by the safety office of the small airline Air Caraibes Atlantique, which suffered the phenomenon twice in quick succession.

They called a meeting with Airbus in which the airline's flight managers pointed out not only what had happened, but also the difficulty of understanding the immediate actions that Airbus recommended pilots should take. I've read it, and it is decidedly confusing.

Now picture the crew of AF447 struggling with that unfamiliar checklist at night, in a cockpit hammered by severe turbulence, possibly lightning, with no airspeed information and numerous warning lights and alarms sounding.

It is difficult to imagine many bigger challenges for a pilot, and anything short of near-perfect execution would have the potential for loss of control.

But the fact remains that this is today speculation.


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Looks like another one just went down off the coast of Yemen. :stupid


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