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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,9:52 pm Post # 1 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
I just bought a 99 Burb 5.7l it's a Cal truck and it runs good but it has the Cal smog crap on it. I am assuming that the smog equip will rob hp and maybe mpg. Can I take it off? Does it matter? What do you guys got?  :confused
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,9:56 pm Post # 2 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
I think that it has to have all of the factory emissions stuff....... But you might check with DMV to find out.....

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Do you what the impact is to the perf of the truck?
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,9:58 pm Post # 4 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
99 may have 50 state emissions so there is no "calif smog" also if it is on and working right it will run better with it than without. chevy gives HP numbers for engines and I'll bet a calif. car is the same as a nebraska car.


just my .02 :cool

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The reason I pick up on it was the equip in the 2nd batt. box. On Az. trucks just a spot to put a 2nd batt. but this one has crap there that connects to the air intake. Then I got the Car Fax and it was fm Cali.
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,10:08 pm Post # 6 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
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The reason I pick up on it was the equip in the 2nd batt. box. On Az. trucks just a spot to put a 2nd batt. but this one has crap there that connects to the air intake. Then I got the Car Fax and it was fm Cali.

what hp does an Az truck have and what hp does a Ca truck have? if you remove it the computer will just try to correct what you have undone.

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The reason I pick up on it was the equip in the 2nd batt. box. On Az. trucks just a spot to put a 2nd batt. but this one has crap there that connects to the air intake. Then I got the Car Fax and it was fm Cali.

what hp does an Az truck have and what hp does a Ca truck have? if you remove it the computer will just try to correct what you have undone.

Yea, I hear what you are saying  :good  I always think of the smog crap as more points of failure and power robbing.
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,10:14 pm Post # 8 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
If it ran bad I would be the first to find a way around it to save a buck, but if it works and runs good, look the other way and save yourself the haedache :good

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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,10:23 pm Post # 9 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
You might want to know about C.A.R.B. (Calif. Air Resourses Board) who has mandated a $10,000.00 fine for each device tampered with. So if you remove the smog pump, disable the egr and replace the cat converter with straight pipe, you have a potential of $30,000.00 in fines.
How do they enforce this you ask... Calif requires smog certifications at time of registration. The computerized smog check machines are connected directly to Sacramento and receive information directly from your vehicle. Any missing device info will be recorded and forwarded to the proper agency (gestapo)  
Hopefully the tech will spot these problems before he hooks you up.
If you make any changes, don't throw away the old parts,you may need to put them back in order to sell the vehicle.
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Dang M, don't candy coat it  :beat  j/k thanks for the info, good look'n out  :good
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,10:36 pm Post # 11 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
I think the key is California, Arizona  doesn't do CARB inforcement. it would be an issue if you sold into Ca,. Also if you if you bought a new out of state car and reg. in Ca. you paid a fee or fine, but did not need to retrofit.

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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,10:44 pm Post # 12 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
Alright this is B.S., I am trying to get clarification.  WTF,  you say Californication doesn't inforce C.A.R.B. (Calif. Air Resourses Board) this is somewhat confusing to my simple Az a$$  :laugh  :rotflmao  Stingray can you transmit agn over?  :laugh
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,10:51 pm Post # 13 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
Sorry :D  calif. does inforce.  Az. could care less about calif smog.

I think? :rotflmao  :D

Edited by stingray on May 29 2006,10:53 pm

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:good  :D  :rotflmao
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Post Icon Posted: May 29 2006,11:42 pm Post # 15 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
All fun aside, all you'd do by removing smog gear on that Burb is rob power not make it. :confused  The computer is set up to read and interpret info from the M.A.F., O2 sensor, etc. and monkeying around by taking off things you don't need will affect the trans shift points, fuel distribution and timing.

What will help is get a performance cat-back exhaust system, K&N air filter and have the computer chip custom burned from a dyno tune. :good

Another thing you can look at is adding a supercharger, but that's about $3,000 to $6,000 depending on doing your own work and you'd still need a chip and dyno.

Plus one more item that's pretty cool and works is a "Gear Venders" overdrive unit that bolts up to the trans. If your trans is a 4 speed auto or manual, it becomes an 8 speed. :cool

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Post Icon Posted: May 30 2006,5:49 am Post # 16 see this member send this member a private message  quote this post in reply
It's plain and simple you cannot remove any equipment that came from the factory, and if it's computerized all you're doing is looking for a headache by removing it and you won't gain any more power!. I had an 86 Dually(non computerized of course)and it had two smog pumps what a crok and they told me that I couldn't even remove one of them!. Now I did take them off to try it and with a little tuning I did gain some power and a bit better mileage also ran cooler, come smog time I put the garbage back on non funtional and it passed no problem, what a rip!.. :angry
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Sorry :D  calif. does inforce.  Az. could care less about calif smog.

I think? :rotflmao  :D

This shithole is worse than Ca when it comes to smog crap!.. :angry
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Plus one more item that's pretty cool and works is a "Gear Venders" overdrive unit that bolts up to the trans. If your trans is a 4 speed auto or manual, it becomes an 8 speed. :cool

I just put one in my dually and it is really cool and it makes a big difference on gas mileage let me tell ya. Before from my house to Parker I would have to switch tanks about 10-15 miles out of town, with the overdrive driving the same speed, same weather conditions, I made it on just barely over a half a tank. I had a 750 on it at the time, I put my 650 back on should get even better mileage!.. :good
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Sorry :D  calif. does inforce.  Az. could care less about calif smog.

I think? :rotflmao  :D

This shithole is worse than Ca when it comes to smog crap!.. :angry

Didn't know Az. had got so bad :stupid

I agree the newer the car the more integrated into the system the smog crap is. near impossible to remove. :banghead

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Sorry :D  calif. does inforce.  Az. could care less about calif smog.

I think? :rotflmao  :D

This shithole is worse than Ca when it comes to smog crap!.. :angry

Didn't know Az. had got so bad :stupid

I agree the newer the car the more integrated into the system the smog crap is. near impossible to remove. :banghead

Well my dually is a 73, and back then any 1 ton and up was exempt from smog equipment and tests, but yet I have to get it smogged, and here they still go back to 66, what a rip!. :angry

With todays computerized shit, everything is tied in and without one part it screws up the computer and the thing won't run!..
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Thanks for all the info guys   :cool  I'll just leave it alone unless I add intake or cat back exhaust  :good
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I made it on just barely over a half a tank. I had a 750 on it at the time, I put my 650 back on should get even better mileage!.. :good

Well, you could always use a carb from a Clark forklift if you really wanted to save on gas. ;)

The downside is it's take two weeks to get home. :rotflmao





Seriously, a friend of mine did just that on a Chevy Vega back in the '70s because he had a daily commute from San Diego to L.A. . No power on the hills, but he did get over 55. mpg. :good
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Since we're talking about this... anyone know where the AIR pumps feed on a non-cat system??

The MH has 2 airpumps with no belt and no hose feeding anywhere, and so they failed it on equipment, even though they let me run it and it passed with flying colors...  :rolleyes

Interesting to note that Colorado is about stop emmission testing.  The number of non computerized car's is so low on the roads, that they are going to a sniffer system on the road sides (most likely on ramps).  You'll only have to take your car in if one of the road side systems pick up if you are over the limit.

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What drive train does it have in it??

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Ford 460 w/ C6 tranny...

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